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  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

    Today I learned that New Zealand "supper" seems to be more like what I'd imagine hobbits eat for meal number 6 (cheese, crackers, fruit, cookies) than Saskatchewan supper (the full meal you eat at the end of the day after a lot of hard farm labour)

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    @sundogplanets I'm going to guess that NZ terms came from a different part of the UK than Saskatchewan, and in NZ it may be something like:

    - supper = small snack before bed
    - dinner/tea = main evening meal around 6pm or similar.

    I remember hearing "supper" used in BC to describe the main evening meal, so that might be a Western Canadian thing. (Don't think I've heard it in Ontario.)

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    • nxskok@cupoftea.socialN nxskok@cupoftea.social

      @sundogplanets I'm going to guess that NZ terms came from a different part of the UK than Saskatchewan, and in NZ it may be something like:

      - supper = small snack before bed
      - dinner/tea = main evening meal around 6pm or similar.

      I remember hearing "supper" used in BC to describe the main evening meal, so that might be a Western Canadian thing. (Don't think I've heard it in Ontario.)

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      @nxskok

      My sense is that it’s more about the timing of the agricultural to urban transition in Western Europe and the UK, and where and when the immigration flowed in relation to that.

      Western Canadian usage can be quite different but my partner and I (both originally from BC) both grew up with supper as the usual evening meal while dinner was a formal event or a large midday meal among farm families.

      BC had a very large wave of UK immigrants in the 1950s and early 1960s. In the early 1970s, over 40% of the adult BC population were UK immigrants. So, BC has quite a different history or English usage than elsewhere in Canada. Tea, or more specifically high tea, as a term for a late afternoon or early evening meal, was known and used among English expats but wasn’t as generally used.

      English speakers who settled on the Prairies also were mostly directly from the UK, or in the case of southern Alberta and Saskatchewan, were failed farming pioneers recruited from the midwestern and prairie United States.

      Ukrainians and other Eastern European settlers kept dinner as the large midday meal and supper as the evening meal. Two breakfasts were a thing.

      Meanwhile, in Quebec ‘diner’ remains the midday meal and ‘souper’ the later evening one, and déjeuner is breakfast in the old European tradition — also the usage in Belgium and Switzerland — while in France it’s petit déjeuner, déjeuner then diner.

      @sundogplanets

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      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

        Observations from a Canadian visiting New Zealand:

        -Making NZers say "Saskatchewan" is kind of hilarious
        -Roundabouts work really really well when everyone is used to them
        -Drip coffee apparently does not exist here (espresso-based coffee drinks only. Even at the one Dunkin Donuts I saw in a hideous mall I had to go inside in Auckland).
        -NZ signs do not play around (see example below)

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        @sundogplanets

        In the South of the US, we called the noontime main meal "dinner", and the main meal at 6pm was "supper". We drank a lot of tea, but did not have a customary time called "tea".

        Outside the South, "lunch" is the noontime main meal, and "dinner" is the main meal at 6pm.

        In Brazil, we once saw a small restaurant called "Lanches Makdonaldo", which I took to be "Lunches kinda like McDonald's", but I just learned "lanche" is kinda like NZ "tea".

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        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

          Today I learned that New Zealand "supper" seems to be more like what I'd imagine hobbits eat for meal number 6 (cheese, crackers, fruit, cookies) than Saskatchewan supper (the full meal you eat at the end of the day after a lot of hard farm labour)

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          @sundogplanets
          Sounds about as confusing as
          the different French meal names
          between Québec and France

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          • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

            Observations from a Canadian visiting New Zealand:

            -Making NZers say "Saskatchewan" is kind of hilarious
            -Roundabouts work really really well when everyone is used to them
            -Drip coffee apparently does not exist here (espresso-based coffee drinks only. Even at the one Dunkin Donuts I saw in a hideous mall I had to go inside in Auckland).
            -NZ signs do not play around (see example below)

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            -Making NZers anyone say "Saskatchewan" is kind of hilarious
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            • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

              Today I learned that New Zealand "supper" seems to be more like what I'd imagine hobbits eat for meal number 6 (cheese, crackers, fruit, cookies) than Saskatchewan supper (the full meal you eat at the end of the day after a lot of hard farm labour)

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              @sundogplanets Quick question - do you know if the lecture tomorrow night in New Plymouth needs an advanced booking? Very keen to attend

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              • mattwilcox@mstdn.socialM mattwilcox@mstdn.social

                @AmeliasBrain @sundogplanets Interesting. In the Midlands of the UK we use “breakfast, dinner, tea” for the three main meals. But other bits of the country would use “breakfast, lunch, dinner”.

                It’s a mess of a language.

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                @mattwilcox @AmeliasBrain @sundogplanets

                Dinner is the main meal. So it depends if that's in the middle of the day or towards the end.

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                • ali@river.geek.nzA ali@river.geek.nz

                  @sundogplanets Quick question - do you know if the lecture tomorrow night in New Plymouth needs an advanced booking? Very keen to attend

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                  @Ali Sorry I have no idea how it works, it's organized by the local group.

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                  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                    Today I learned that New Zealand "supper" seems to be more like what I'd imagine hobbits eat for meal number 6 (cheese, crackers, fruit, cookies) than Saskatchewan supper (the full meal you eat at the end of the day after a lot of hard farm labour)

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                    More NZ signs that are extremely honest

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                    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                      More NZ signs that are extremely honest

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                      @sundogplanets Love the ambiguity of "do not encourage feeding … on anyone"

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                      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                        Today I learned that New Zealand "supper" seems to be more like what I'd imagine hobbits eat for meal number 6 (cheese, crackers, fruit, cookies) than Saskatchewan supper (the full meal you eat at the end of the day after a lot of hard farm labour)

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                        @sundogplanets Your idea of supper matches that of what we had at the end of the day. A.K.A. Dinner.

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                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                          More NZ signs that are extremely honest

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                          @sundogplanets I love so much the dumping rubbish one! 😆

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                          • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                            More NZ signs that are extremely honest

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                            @sundogplanets Have you heard slip-slop-slap? Not as funny as "don't be a tosser" but another bit of local culture.

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                            • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                              More NZ signs that are extremely honest

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                              @sundogplanets As a French person, I can’t tell you how funny it is to read “big bite” and “breeding season” on the same poster.

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                              • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                Observations from a Canadian visiting New Zealand:

                                -Making NZers say "Saskatchewan" is kind of hilarious
                                -Roundabouts work really really well when everyone is used to them
                                -Drip coffee apparently does not exist here (espresso-based coffee drinks only. Even at the one Dunkin Donuts I saw in a hideous mall I had to go inside in Auckland).
                                -NZ signs do not play around (see example below)

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                                @sundogplanets don't know if you're still around there, but i had excellent filter coffee at Daily Daily Coffeemakers when I was in Auckland

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