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  3. Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena.

Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena.

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  • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

    France is the most anti-encryption, anti-privacy and anti-security country in the EU. They've been doing a gradual crackdown on open source privacy projects including GrapheneOS and Signal with escalating smears and threats. /e/ and Murena are on the side of the police state.

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    @GrapheneOS
    To be fair, Signal lies about their actual security, particularly regarding metadata protection.

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    Metadata Protection in Instant Messaging Applications: a Review

    Twelve years after the public specification of the Signal protocol, almost all instant messaging protocols have embraced the ratchet construct, granting perfect forward secrecy and post-compromise security. Whatsapp, Signal, OMEMO-based applications, Olm and Megolm-based applications, or SimpleX ...

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    Olvid, a French IM, arguably offers better privacy than Signal, by design. But they are French, so I don't trust them either for the reasons you listed in this thread.

    @simplex is way ahead of Signal and Olvid, privacy/security-wise.

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      @cutesobri @GrapheneOS No the translation is clearly not accurate. What G.D. says in french is the /e/ fundation builds an os you could not trust to hide from heavy investigations. In the mainlines, if you're pedocriminal, spy, executive, whatever, their operating system is not build for, it is (just) built to reduce everyday footprint in daily usage.

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        @cutesobri @GrapheneOS No the translation is clearly not accurate. What G.D. says in french is the /e/ fundation builds an os you could not trust to hide from heavy investigations. In the mainlines, if you're pedocriminal, spy, executive, whatever, their operating system is not build for, it is (just) built to reduce everyday footprint in daily usage.

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        @cutesobri @GrapheneOS What emerge from such reactions of @GrapheneOS is suspicion on their means and goals. Making short answers in social medias with a link to an up to date page collecting every evidence and pointing on every original sources of such alleged comportments would be clearly less misinterpretable and misleading. I understand that's a meticulous work far from developping a secure os, but I ear here and there of @GrapheneOS, and never in terms of trust.

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        • mast0d0nphan@beige.partyM mast0d0nphan@beige.party

          @GrapheneOS Can't wait for your Motorola partnership to further legitimize GrapheneOS.

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          @mast0d0nphan @GrapheneOS is this real? Do you know when?

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          • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

            > we do reduces attack surface. However, we don't have a "hardened security" approach, we aren't developing a phone for pedo(censored) so they can evade justice. So there aren't difficult things to check if the memory is corrupted, really hardened security stuff that could clearly be useful for executives, in the secret service, or whatever. That's not our goal, our goal is to start from an observation: today our personal data is constantly being plundered and that wouldn't be legal in real life

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            @GrapheneOS lmao the "i HaVE noThINg To HIde" crowd, maybe he should make all of his emails and texts public and live stream his home security cams, I mean what is he trying to hide ? is he a PDF?

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              @lispi314
              Have a look at uBlockOrigin's "Hard mode":
              https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode:-hard-mode
              Here scripts, frames, CSS and images are blocked by default.
              @GrapheneOS @tedstechtips

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              • J jsa@framapiaf.org

                @cutesobri @GrapheneOS No the translation is clearly not accurate. What G.D. says in french is the /e/ fundation builds an os you could not trust to hide from heavy investigations. In the mainlines, if you're pedocriminal, spy, executive, whatever, their operating system is not build for, it is (just) built to reduce everyday footprint in daily usage.

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                @jsa I don’t know. They literally say “We don’t develop a phone for pedophiles to evade justice.” (“[…] on développe pas un téléphone pour les pédo(bip) pour qu'ils puissent échapper à la justice.”) Pedocriminals seem to be the main example they chose. They could’ve focused on other groups and instead mention secret services and the like. @cutesobri @GrapheneOS

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                • blueluma@mastodon.socialB blueluma@mastodon.social

                  @Xtreix @GrapheneOS I've only watched the short section of the videos from the post, do you have a source of the complete video so I could watch it and see the direct attack to GrapheneOS in it as you mention 👀

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                  @blueluma @GrapheneOS Duval's statement at 5:07:

                  “We don't have a hardened security approach, we're not developing a phone so that pedophiles (word censored in the video) can evade justice.

                  So there aren't any advanced features, like checking if the memory is corrupted, etc, really hardened features that might be useful for presidents, secret agents, and so on...”

                  The reference to a hardened phone intended for pedophiles is a direct reference to GrapheneOS, the only hardened mobile operating system available, as well as to phones compatible with the project and any other projects or devices that might adopt the same approach. These verbal statements follow a long series of false claims about GrapheneOS on social media.

                  He then states that this hardening may prove effective, but continues with the fallacious logic that it is useful only for high-value, targeted individuals or criminals, and that lambda people would never need it and would have no reason to use enhanced security to protect their data. He claims that GrapheneOS is for a minority and that /e/OS is for everyone.

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                    @GrapheneOS
                    To be fair, Signal lies about their actual security, particularly regarding metadata protection.

                    Link Preview Image
                    Metadata Protection in Instant Messaging Applications: a Review

                    Twelve years after the public specification of the Signal protocol, almost all instant messaging protocols have embraced the ratchet construct, granting perfect forward secrecy and post-compromise security. Whatsapp, Signal, OMEMO-based applications, Olm and Megolm-based applications, or SimpleX ...

                    favicon

                    Pass the SALT Archives (passthesalt.ubicast.tv)

                    Olvid, a French IM, arguably offers better privacy than Signal, by design. But they are French, so I don't trust them either for the reasons you listed in this thread.

                    @simplex is way ahead of Signal and Olvid, privacy/security-wise.

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                    GrapheneOS (@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social)

                    @otyugh@pouet.chapril.org @straybun@lgbtqia.space @watchfulcitizen@goingdark.social France's government is making false and unsubstantiated claims about Signal to promote the Olvid app made in France: https://interoperable-europe.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/france-officials-use-open-source-alternative-olvid https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2023/12/15/olvid-the-french-government-s-secure-messaging-app-already-under-fire_6346249_19.html France is pushing for encryption backdoors which could be forced into Olvid due to it being based in France but could not be forced into Signal since Signal would simply stop operating in France as we're choosing to do going forward. They're absolutely attacking Signal in addition to GrapheneOS.

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                    • andromxda@infosec.spaceA andromxda@infosec.space

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                      GrapheneOS (@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social)

                      @otyugh@pouet.chapril.org @straybun@lgbtqia.space @watchfulcitizen@goingdark.social France's government is making false and unsubstantiated claims about Signal to promote the Olvid app made in France: https://interoperable-europe.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/france-officials-use-open-source-alternative-olvid https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2023/12/15/olvid-the-french-government-s-secure-messaging-app-already-under-fire_6346249_19.html France is pushing for encryption backdoors which could be forced into Olvid due to it being based in France but could not be forced into Signal since Signal would simply stop operating in France as we're choosing to do going forward. They're absolutely attacking Signal in addition to GrapheneOS.

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                      @Andromxda I am the author of the publication I linked in my previous post. I am not affiliated with the French government. I worked for the French gov between 2013 and 2018. We parted ways in terrible terms.

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