Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena.
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It's common for apps and websites to do everything through their own servers. That's best practice to avoid leaking API keys. It's increasingly common for invasive libraries to use hard-wired IPs and/or DNS-over-HTTPS to evade blocking. DNS filtering is increasingly less useful.
Murena is a for-profit company owned by shareholders including Gaël Duval. /e/ has a non-profit organization which is also led by Gaël Duval. /e/ includes paid services from Murena. /e/ very clearly exists to build products for Murena to sell in order to enrich the shareholders.
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/e/ and Murena devices are far worse for privacy and security than an iPhone. It's trivial to break into their devices remotely or extract data from them compared to an iPhone. They have weaker privacy protections from apps too. Their main approach to privacy is a DNS blocklist.
@GrapheneOS So just the basic stuff you can already get from a pi-hole, DDG app tracking protection etc.
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It's common for apps and websites to do everything through their own servers. That's best practice to avoid leaking API keys. It's increasingly common for invasive libraries to use hard-wired IPs and/or DNS-over-HTTPS to evade blocking. DNS filtering is increasingly less useful.
@GrapheneOS What's a more solid solution for blocking ads/trackers than DNS filtering?
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@GrapheneOS to be fair they don't promise security, only privacy. at least in their foreword on their website here.
I don't think it's by accident that they don't even use the word secure, or security, on the whole page.
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I've seen claims before where they claim it's better than GrapheneOS. But in what regard? Maybe degoogling and having alternatives pre-installed? GrapheneOS is probably more involved to get the same apps. That's the only way /e/ is better in my opinion
They dont provide privacy. So a promise is already broken. But beyond that, privacy cannot exist without security. They arent mutually exclusive, they are intertwined. To ignore security means you are not a privacy project.
E/ is not better at degoogling. GrapheneOS does not connect to any google servers, run any google play code, have any privilege google services, etc. Sandboxed google play is sandboxed and must be installed by the user. All default connections are to first party servers hosted by GOS. It is not more involved to get the same apps, google or otherwise.
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For years, Gaël Duval has spearheaded a campaign to misrepresent GrapheneOS as not being usable, not compatible with apps and only useful to a tiny minority of people. He has repeatedly claimed GrapheneOS is for pedophiles, criminals and spies while claiming /e/ is for everyone.
@GrapheneOS I don't think you should attack frontally others like that whenever
Reminding security is privacy is good.
Responding to attacks is good (which is not the case *here*)I understand its CEO and the Murena company might have attack the GrapheneOS project in the past, and responding to that was normal too.
But I don't see attacking /e/OS like that often as a positive feedback in general. A simple reminder could have been enough.
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@GrapheneOS but I'm fine with not even comparing them. grapheneos is an OS and /e/ is a ROM
@codebam @GrapheneOS They are both operating systems. ROM is an inaccurate term.
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Murena is a for-profit company owned by shareholders including Gaël Duval. /e/ has a non-profit organization which is also led by Gaël Duval. /e/ includes paid services from Murena. /e/ very clearly exists to build products for Murena to sell in order to enrich the shareholders.
Despite being done for profit, /e/ receives millions of euros in funding from the EU on an ongoing basis. /e/ and Murena use extraordinarily inaccurate marketing to not only promote their products/services but also to mislead people about GrapheneOS and scare them away from it.
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@GrapheneOS I don't think you should attack frontally others like that whenever
Reminding security is privacy is good.
Responding to attacks is good (which is not the case *here*)I understand its CEO and the Murena company might have attack the GrapheneOS project in the past, and responding to that was normal too.
But I don't see attacking /e/OS like that often as a positive feedback in general. A simple reminder could have been enough.
️ on the GrapheneOS project btw@GrapheneOS I prefer seeing post about GrapheneOS or Android security from your account than continous attacks on other projects (even if they are legitimatel), but that's my personal opinion
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@GrapheneOS What's a more solid solution for blocking ads/trackers than DNS filtering?
@tedstechtips @GrapheneOS
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@codebam @GrapheneOS They are both operating systems. ROM is an inaccurate term.
@HybridStaticAnimate @GrapheneOS well it is a ROM in the sense that you flash it with TWRP, or you can
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@HybridStaticAnimate @GrapheneOS well it is a ROM in the sense that you flash it with TWRP, or you can
@HybridStaticAnimate @GrapheneOS GrapheneOS is a factory image and is used with a locked bootloader
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@HybridStaticAnimate @GrapheneOS well it is a ROM in the sense that you flash it with TWRP, or you can
@codebam @GrapheneOS This does not make something a ROM. ROM is an inaccurate term.
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@HybridStaticAnimate @GrapheneOS GrapheneOS is a factory image and is used with a locked bootloader
@codebam @GrapheneOS Yes, that doesnt mean anything in this context though.
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Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena. Duval and his organizations have consistently taken a stance against protecting users from exploits. In this video, he once again claims protecting against exploits is for only useful pedophiles and spies.
Translation to English:
> There's the attack surface, on that front we're not security specialists here, so I couldn't answer you precisely, but from the discussions I've had, it seems that everything
@GrapheneOS I posted a comment on the video; apparently, my YouTube comments are visible again.
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Despite being done for profit, /e/ receives millions of euros in funding from the EU on an ongoing basis. /e/ and Murena use extraordinarily inaccurate marketing to not only promote their products/services but also to mislead people about GrapheneOS and scare them away from it.
Recently, France's national law enforcement began fearmongering about GrapheneOS and smearing it with inaccurate claims. France's corporate and state media heavily participated. Many articles and also radio/television coverage misrepresented GrapheneOS as being for criminals.
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Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena. Duval and his organizations have consistently taken a stance against protecting users from exploits. In this video, he once again claims protecting against exploits is for only useful pedophiles and spies.
Translation to English:
> There's the attack surface, on that front we're not security specialists here, so I couldn't answer you precisely, but from the discussions I've had, it seems that everything
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Since I speak French it hit me pretty hard because it's one thing to read it written in an article or a tweet, it's another to watch the clip directly.
To have someone make privacy software while claiming that security is for pedophiles...
Très décevant Gaël, si tu lis ça.
C'est l'heure de step up ton game, j'aime e/OS/, mais là tu ne fais pas les choses justes.
La sécurité c'est pour tout le monde. Si je perds mon téléphone, j'ai besoin de savoir que ma vie digitale sera protégée. -
Recently, France's national law enforcement began fearmongering about GrapheneOS and smearing it with inaccurate claims. France's corporate and state media heavily participated. Many articles and also radio/television coverage misrepresented GrapheneOS as being for criminals.
Across French corporate and state media covering it, inaccurate claims by the state about features, distribution and marketing of GrapheneOS were wrongly presented as fact. Most of them didn't contact us and we weren't shown what was being claimed so we could properly respond.
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@codebam @GrapheneOS This does not make something a ROM. ROM is an inaccurate term.
@HybridStaticAnimate @GrapheneOS fair enough, I was just calling it a ROM in the sense that it's just as insecure, if not more, than the ROMs (or operating systems) people were flashing directly to their /system and /data partitions back in like 2014
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@GrapheneOS to be fair they don't promise security, only privacy. at least in their foreword on their website here.
I don't think it's by accident that they don't even use the word secure, or security, on the whole page.
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I've seen claims before where they claim it's better than GrapheneOS. But in what regard? Maybe degoogling and having alternatives pre-installed? GrapheneOS is probably more involved to get the same apps. That's the only way /e/ is better in my opinion
@codebam @GrapheneOS
They don't "promote" security, at least not like Graphene does, that part is true, but can you really claim privacy without security? (Not in the literal sense, of course you can, what I mean is, is it ethical to do so?)
How can a phone be private while being easily penetrable?
In the theoretical sense, these are two different things, in the practical sense, you can have security without privacy, but you can't have privacy without security. -
/e/ is far weaker in all of these areas compared to the standard Android Open Source Project on secure hardware. It doesn't keep up with standards updates and protections. It adds tons of low security attack surface and privacy invasive services. It's not in the same space as us.
When Asked about age verification on their support forum, @murena buried and merged my question onto another topic which:
- had nothing to do with it;
- would have been closed after a couple of days not allowing more replies;
- and been vague about it, infact not stating their position.Not really what you would expect from a company praising Privacy as their flagship.
Shame on me for being so naïve to trust them, and those who bought their devices
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