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So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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  • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

    So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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    AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

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    @petergleick
    No, because the computer in War Games had yo be goaded into using nukes.

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    • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

      So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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      AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

      Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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      @petergleick won’t hurt AI. Just saying

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      • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

        So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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        AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

        Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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        @petergleick
        Real humans, at some point, do the total cost calculation of afterwards having to live in constant fear of having the same done to them as well as the damage to humanity, international relations and trade and their own standards of living...

        And decide that this is not worth it.

        #AI just gets told "to win" and executes without the human subtext

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        • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

          So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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          AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

          Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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          @petergleick just in case this wasn't scary enough: https://apnews.com/article/anthropic-hegseth-ai-pentagon-military-3d86c9296fe953ec0591fcde6a613aba

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          • xro@chaos.socialX xro@chaos.social

            @petergleick
            Real humans, at some point, do the total cost calculation of afterwards having to live in constant fear of having the same done to them as well as the damage to humanity, international relations and trade and their own standards of living...

            And decide that this is not worth it.

            #AI just gets told "to win" and executes without the human subtext

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            @xro @petergleick @cstross

            The real piece of info here would be: how much of this total-cost calculation must be included in the wargame to make the AI choose another path, and is THAT cost realistic? Because if not... duck and cover.

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            • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

              So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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              AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

              Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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              @petergleick Ah, look, there's the mistake :-
              "The AI models ... produced around 780,000 words describing the reasoning behind their decisions."
              No, they produced 780,000 words that looked statistically similar to what a human might have said under the same circumstances.

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              • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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                AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

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                @petergleick

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                • jmcs@social.jsantos.euJ jmcs@social.jsantos.eu

                  @lcwheeler @petergleick if they trained it on Wargames it wouldn't be this stupid.

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                  @jmcs @lcwheeler @petergleick Brain children inherit the faults of their creators. This isn't surprising at all.

                  Especially given how many people genuinely disagreed with the whole premise of Wargames back then.

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                  • simplicator@federate.socialS simplicator@federate.social

                    @lcwheeler @petergleick & sci-fi writers & Hollywood make it seem super-cool
                    See also the movies “Wall St.”, “Wolf of Wall St.,” etc.

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                    @Simplicator @lcwheeler @petergleick A lot of folks out here working in finance genuinely love those movies. Inspirational to them.

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                      @bencourtice @petergleick Yes.

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                      • rrb@infosec.exchangeR rrb@infosec.exchange

                        @bencourtice @petergleick I am starting to hope for thermo-nuclear obliteration just to stop the stupidity. I pray that the cockroaches learn from our failures.

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                        @rrb @bencourtice @petergleick They'd be starting by learning from all the old Bell Telephone equipment, so they'd have a good start.

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                        • simplicator@federate.socialS simplicator@federate.social

                          @petergleick Musk named his “AI” supercomputer “Colossus” 😞 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus%3A_The_Forbin_Project

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                          @Simplicator @petergleick Yet another jagoff who missed the whole point of the movie. Aargh.

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                          • xro@chaos.socialX xro@chaos.social

                            @petergleick
                            Real humans, at some point, do the total cost calculation of afterwards having to live in constant fear of having the same done to them as well as the damage to humanity, international relations and trade and their own standards of living...

                            And decide that this is not worth it.

                            #AI just gets told "to win" and executes without the human subtext

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                            @xro @petergleick That says much about the organics in charge.

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                            • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                              So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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                              AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

                              Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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                              @petergleick fantastic

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                              • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                                So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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                                AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

                                Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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                                @petergleick because of John Nash's game theory applied to the cold war nuclear balance of terror. Nash was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia at the time and later came to realise that real life was much more complicated than his equations.

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                                • chogbro@masto.aiC chogbro@masto.ai

                                  @petergleick because of John Nash's game theory applied to the cold war nuclear balance of terror. Nash was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia at the time and later came to realise that real life was much more complicated than his equations.

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                                  @petergleick the "rational" option is always to strike first. See also the "rational" economic theories of Hayek, von Mises, Friedman and other charlatans.

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                                  • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                                    So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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                                    AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

                                    Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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                                    @petergleick Want to play a game of Take That Dough?

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                                    • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                                      So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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                                      AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

                                      Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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                                      @petergleick Pr. Stephen Falken, we need your help! Joshua’s siblings are crazy!

                                      (But can they win a tic-tac-toe game?)

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                                      • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                                        So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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                                        AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

                                        Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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                                        @petergleick In other news, Hegseth is threatening to invoke the defense production act on Anthropic if they don't remove restrictions on how the military uses its AI.

                                        "At the heart of the fight is how A.I. will be used in future battlefields. Anthropic told defense officials that it did not want its A.I. used for mass surveillance of Americans or deployed in autonomous weapons that had no humans in the loop, two people involved in the discussions said."

                                        nytimes.com

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                                        • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                                          So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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                                          AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

                                          Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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                                          @petergleick “More fundamentally, AI models may not understand ‘stakes’ as humans perceive them.”

                                          Well, no shit, Sherlock.

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