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  • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

    So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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    @petergleick What percentage of the LLM training data surrounding nuclear war is made up by the Terminator franchise and War Games? 😆 So depressing. SciFi authors always envision these grandiose stories about hyper-intelligent AIs turning on humanity, but the reality is SO MUCH DUMBER. Feels more like the kind of tech apocalypse from Cat's Cradle than the one from Terminator.

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    • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

      So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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      AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

      Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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      @petergleick

      The greatest threat to humanity is not super intelligence, but the machine mindlessness of the men who own the machines and the enormous power that they have captured

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      • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

        So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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        AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

        Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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        @petergleick @samiamsam life imitating art

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        • lcwheeler@ecoevo.socialL lcwheeler@ecoevo.social

          @petergleick What percentage of the LLM training data surrounding nuclear war is made up by the Terminator franchise and War Games? 😆 So depressing. SciFi authors always envision these grandiose stories about hyper-intelligent AIs turning on humanity, but the reality is SO MUCH DUMBER. Feels more like the kind of tech apocalypse from Cat's Cradle than the one from Terminator.

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          @lcwheeler @petergleick if they trained it on Wargames it wouldn't be this stupid.

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          • distractal@hachyderm.ioD distractal@hachyderm.io

            @petergleick At least in War Games the AI was smart enough to realize that in every scenario nuclear war means total loss for all sides.

            These singularly idiotic motherfuckers want to connect the "glue is good on pizza" machines to military systems.

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            @distractal @petergleick gah I don't grok anyone that really tests these word shufflers would trust them for cooking. It doesn't take much testing w Gemini to realize it often won't adjust even when you point out errors.

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            • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

              So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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              AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

              Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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              @petergleick Assuming that the data center is well shielded against the EMP, this is a very rational choice. Von Neumann would be proud.

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                @bencourtice @petergleick I am starting to hope for thermo-nuclear obliteration just to stop the stupidity. I pray that the cockroaches learn from our failures.

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                • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                  So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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                  AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

                  Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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                  @petergleick the writer still falls in to the trap of calling the output "reasoning", I didn't even need to get past the paywall to see that. Not worth my time to look further, that's enough to see that it's bad reporting.

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                  • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                    So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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                    AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

                    Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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                    @petergleick Musk named his “AI” supercomputer “Colossus” 😞 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus%3A_The_Forbin_Project

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                    • lcwheeler@ecoevo.socialL lcwheeler@ecoevo.social

                      @petergleick What percentage of the LLM training data surrounding nuclear war is made up by the Terminator franchise and War Games? 😆 So depressing. SciFi authors always envision these grandiose stories about hyper-intelligent AIs turning on humanity, but the reality is SO MUCH DUMBER. Feels more like the kind of tech apocalypse from Cat's Cradle than the one from Terminator.

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                      @lcwheeler @petergleick & sci-fi writers & Hollywood make it seem super-cool
                      See also the movies “Wall St.”, “Wolf of Wall St.,” etc.

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                      • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                        So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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                        AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

                        Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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                        @petergleick

                        This should fix it:

                        XOO
                        OXX
                        XXO

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                        • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                          So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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                          AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

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                          @petergleick
                          No, because the computer in War Games had yo be goaded into using nukes.

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                          • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                            So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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                            AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

                            Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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                            @petergleick won’t hurt AI. Just saying

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                            • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                              So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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                              AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

                              Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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                              @petergleick
                              Real humans, at some point, do the total cost calculation of afterwards having to live in constant fear of having the same done to them as well as the damage to humanity, international relations and trade and their own standards of living...

                              And decide that this is not worth it.

                              #AI just gets told "to win" and executes without the human subtext

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                              • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                                So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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                                @petergleick just in case this wasn't scary enough: https://apnews.com/article/anthropic-hegseth-ai-pentagon-military-3d86c9296fe953ec0591fcde6a613aba

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                                • xro@chaos.socialX xro@chaos.social

                                  @petergleick
                                  Real humans, at some point, do the total cost calculation of afterwards having to live in constant fear of having the same done to them as well as the damage to humanity, international relations and trade and their own standards of living...

                                  And decide that this is not worth it.

                                  #AI just gets told "to win" and executes without the human subtext

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                                  @xro @petergleick @cstross

                                  The real piece of info here would be: how much of this total-cost calculation must be included in the wargame to make the AI choose another path, and is THAT cost realistic? Because if not... duck and cover.

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                                  • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                                    So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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                                    AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

                                    Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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                                    @petergleick Ah, look, there's the mistake :-
                                    "The AI models ... produced around 780,000 words describing the reasoning behind their decisions."
                                    No, they produced 780,000 words that looked statistically similar to what a human might have said under the same circumstances.

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                                    • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                                      So Skynet is real and the movie War Games was a documentary?

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                                      AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

                                      Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases

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                                      @petergleick

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                                      • jmcs@social.jsantos.euJ jmcs@social.jsantos.eu

                                        @lcwheeler @petergleick if they trained it on Wargames it wouldn't be this stupid.

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                                        @jmcs @lcwheeler @petergleick Brain children inherit the faults of their creators. This isn't surprising at all.

                                        Especially given how many people genuinely disagreed with the whole premise of Wargames back then.

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                                        • simplicator@federate.socialS simplicator@federate.social

                                          @lcwheeler @petergleick & sci-fi writers & Hollywood make it seem super-cool
                                          See also the movies “Wall St.”, “Wolf of Wall St.,” etc.

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                                          @Simplicator @lcwheeler @petergleick A lot of folks out here working in finance genuinely love those movies. Inspirational to them.

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