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  3. If the US has set a precedent of deposing or killing leaders of sovereign nations because they are "bad people," why could some decent-minded force elsewhere in the world not see the opening to depose the current head of the US because he's awful?

If the US has set a precedent of deposing or killing leaders of sovereign nations because they are "bad people," why could some decent-minded force elsewhere in the world not see the opening to depose the current head of the US because he's awful?

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  • jeffjarvis@mastodon.socialJ jeffjarvis@mastodon.social

    Trump believes neither precedent nor law, norm nor ethic applies to him. ('Why can't I appeal the decision of the court of last resort?' he mewls.) He thinks he can get away with anything--and why not, for so far, every American and international institution has allowed him to.

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    The one lesson from what Trump says that we should take seriously is: The rest is up to us. Until and unless he is stopped by the force of public voice and institutional power, he and his henchmen will continue to destroy. Shout at every turn. Demand institutional support.

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    • jeffjarvis@mastodon.socialJ jeffjarvis@mastodon.social

      For that matter, if the current president tells the people of Iran to rise up and replace their duly installed government, what does that say to the populace of any other nation, including his own? Is he legitimizing revolution?

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      @jeffjarvis He already told American people to rise up against their government leading up to January 6th.

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        @introversion @jeffjarvis
        Traditional Democratic Party passivity also plays a role. It's assumed that soft-core Democrats won't use similar aggressive tactics .

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        • jeffjarvis@mastodon.socialJ jeffjarvis@mastodon.social

          This "administration" does not think ahead to precedent. Forcing a former president to testify before Congress is a precedent for forcing the current (soon, not soon enough former) president to testify. Fuck around and be fucked with is the lesson they cannot learn.

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          @jeffjarvis apres moi, le deluge

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          • jeffjarvis@mastodon.socialJ jeffjarvis@mastodon.social

            If the US has set a precedent of deposing or killing leaders of sovereign nations because they are "bad people," why could some decent-minded force elsewhere in the world not see the opening to depose the current head of the US because he's awful? Where's the line?

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            @jeffjarvis Sorry, but Trump killing foreign leaders and meddling with their electoral sovereignty is not a precedent. It is deplorable, but it is far from the first time the US has done it.

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            • jeffjarvis@mastodon.socialJ jeffjarvis@mastodon.social

              If the US has set a precedent of deposing or killing leaders of sovereign nations because they are "bad people," why could some decent-minded force elsewhere in the world not see the opening to depose the current head of the US because he's awful? Where's the line?

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              @jeffjarvis@mastodon.social
              It's seems the rest of the world doesn't have a psychopath for a leader!

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              • jeffjarvis@mastodon.socialJ jeffjarvis@mastodon.social

                This "administration" does not think ahead to precedent. Forcing a former president to testify before Congress is a precedent for forcing the current (soon, not soon enough former) president to testify. Fuck around and be fucked with is the lesson they cannot learn.

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                @jeffjarvis@mastodon.social
                Wouldn't it be looking back to a precedent?

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                • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                  @jeffjarvis Sorry, but Trump killing foreign leaders and meddling with their electoral sovereignty is not a precedent. It is deplorable, but it is far from the first time the US has done it.

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                  @jeffjarvis https://www.humancode.us/2026/02/28/normalcy-of-transgressions.html

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                  • jeffjarvis@mastodon.socialJ jeffjarvis@mastodon.social

                    If the US has set a precedent of deposing or killing leaders of sovereign nations because they are "bad people," why could some decent-minded force elsewhere in the world not see the opening to depose the current head of the US because he's awful? Where's the line?

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                    @jeffjarvis That was exactly what I thought when I woke up at 6 a.m. to this stupidity...3 hours after the attack began apparently.

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                    • jeffjarvis@mastodon.socialJ jeffjarvis@mastodon.social

                      If the US has set a precedent of deposing or killing leaders of sovereign nations because they are "bad people," why could some decent-minded force elsewhere in the world not see the opening to depose the current head of the US because he's awful? Where's the line?

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                      @jeffjarvis The line is, evidently, wherever the current junta says it is.

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                      • jeffjarvis@mastodon.socialJ jeffjarvis@mastodon.social

                        If the US has set a precedent of deposing or killing leaders of sovereign nations because they are "bad people," why could some decent-minded force elsewhere in the world not see the opening to depose the current head of the US because he's awful? Where's the line?

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                        @jeffjarvis

                        As a joke it works.

                        As a serious proposal, the thing is power. What country in the world could surround the US with war ships and launch an attack without fearing the consequences?

                        None.

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