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  • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

    Brazil's authoritarian age verification law became active this month. It won't be implemented by GrapheneOS. Complying would require integrating a mandatory process for each user where a third party service checks government identification and confirms a match using the camera.

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    It doesn't stop there. It would require keeping data for auditing and providing a token for connecting age verification checks by apps and websites to the data. The law is a privacy disaster and exposes minors to being exploited by leaking their age bracket to apps and websites.

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    • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

      Brazil's authoritarian age verification law became active this month. It won't be implemented by GrapheneOS. Complying would require integrating a mandatory process for each user where a third party service checks government identification and confirms a match using the camera.

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      @GrapheneOS That seems like the right call to me. It looks like I may soon become an international lawbreaker because I'm not going back to Android.

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      • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

        It doesn't stop there. It would require keeping data for auditing and providing a token for connecting age verification checks by apps and websites to the data. The law is a privacy disaster and exposes minors to being exploited by leaking their age bracket to apps and websites.

        rapsneezy@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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        @GrapheneOS

        is it a good idea to have a "age proxy" like the mechanism for filesystem access "spaces"?

        when an app doesn't run unless the OS tells it the user is id-verified, then grapheneOS could say yes, the user is, even if the user hasn't done the process because they don't want to risk their biometric information

        I'm no expert, just thinking aloud

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        • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

          It doesn't stop there. It would require keeping data for auditing and providing a token for connecting age verification checks by apps and websites to the data. The law is a privacy disaster and exposes minors to being exploited by leaking their age bracket to apps and websites.

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          GrapheneOS has no team members or operations in Brazil. São Paulo in Brazil is by far the biggest network hub within South America. Miami is also a major network hub for South America and is currently where our update server is for South America since it's dramatically cheaper.

          murderkroger@fouroclockfarms.clubM grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG 2 Replies Last reply
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          • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

            GrapheneOS has no team members or operations in Brazil. São Paulo in Brazil is by far the biggest network hub within South America. Miami is also a major network hub for South America and is currently where our update server is for South America since it's dramatically cheaper.

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            @GrapheneOS interesting how a north american city such as Miami can serve as a network hub for south america. Geopolitics are an intricate yet interesting thing

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            • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

              GrapheneOS has no team members or operations in Brazil. São Paulo in Brazil is by far the biggest network hub within South America. Miami is also a major network hub for South America and is currently where our update server is for South America since it's dramatically cheaper.

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              We have a tiny VPS in São Paulo for our ns1 anycast DNS and a second for our website/network services. It probably isn't an issue and those can be removed if necessary. Santiago could be added for both instead but wouldn't work very well as a replacement for having São Paulo.

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              • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                We have a tiny VPS in São Paulo for our ns1 anycast DNS and a second for our website/network services. It probably isn't an issue and those can be removed if necessary. Santiago could be added for both instead but wouldn't work very well as a replacement for having São Paulo.

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                There aren't yet devices supporting GrapheneOS directly sold in South America. Brazil in particular has unusually high import duties/taxes which add up to around 100%. This has resulted in us not having a lot of users there but our Motorola partnership will start changing this.

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                • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                  We have a tiny VPS in São Paulo for our ns1 anycast DNS and a second for our website/network services. It probably isn't an issue and those can be removed if necessary. Santiago could be added for both instead but wouldn't work very well as a replacement for having São Paulo.

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                  @GrapheneOS

                  Could you share more infos about when and involved modells which this collaboration will start with?

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                  • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                    Brazil's authoritarian age verification law became active this month. It won't be implemented by GrapheneOS. Complying would require integrating a mandatory process for each user where a third party service checks government identification and confirms a match using the camera.

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                    @GrapheneOS >Complying would require integrating a mandatory process for each user where a third party service checks government identification and confirms a match using the camera.
                    that's sick. this is the absolute break of any privacy and this should be avoided by all software developers.
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                    • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                      Brazil's authoritarian age verification law became active this month. It won't be implemented by GrapheneOS. Complying would require integrating a mandatory process for each user where a third party service checks government identification and confirms a match using the camera.

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                      @GrapheneOS @lxo
                      looks llike Brasilian government requirements to software are much worse than we expected.
                      this is not just a breaking privacy for some third-party service, it's deanonimizing and tracking users by whatever sites and servers in an unknown circle.
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                      • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                        There aren't yet devices supporting GrapheneOS directly sold in South America. Brazil in particular has unusually high import duties/taxes which add up to around 100%. This has resulted in us not having a lot of users there but our Motorola partnership will start changing this.

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                        @GrapheneOS Really? Will you be selling out-of-the-box grapheneOS devices in Brazil?

                        That's where i live!

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                        • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                          Brazil's authoritarian age verification law became active this month. It won't be implemented by GrapheneOS. Complying would require integrating a mandatory process for each user where a third party service checks government identification and confirms a match using the camera.

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                          @GrapheneOS What about instead of responding to the age bracket by providing a age bracket, you could provide back string that just says ñao ñao amigao?

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                          • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                            Brazil's authoritarian age verification law became active this month. It won't be implemented by GrapheneOS. Complying would require integrating a mandatory process for each user where a third party service checks government identification and confirms a match using the camera.

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                            @GrapheneOS why are you so based?

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                            • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                              Brazil's authoritarian age verification law became active this month. It won't be implemented by GrapheneOS. Complying would require integrating a mandatory process for each user where a third party service checks government identification and confirms a match using the camera.

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                              @GrapheneOS looks like Brazil, with Robert DeNiro, is about to become a documentary

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                              • richardisaguyyyy@ursal.zoneR richardisaguyyyy@ursal.zone

                                @GrapheneOS Really? Will you be selling out-of-the-box grapheneOS devices in Brazil?

                                That's where i live!

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                                @richardisaguyyyy We want to do that but the age verification law is going to prevent devices being sold with GrapheneOS in Brazil. It will be very easy to install it on future Motorola devices sold in Brazil via our web installer though. It's much easier and safer than doing something like installing Windows on a desktop.

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                                • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                  @richardisaguyyyy We want to do that but the age verification law is going to prevent devices being sold with GrapheneOS in Brazil. It will be very easy to install it on future Motorola devices sold in Brazil via our web installer though. It's much easier and safer than doing something like installing Windows on a desktop.

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                                  @GrapheneOS That's so awesome! May i ask, will you support existing motorola devices that are rootable as well? For instance i own a moto edge 20

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                                    @271b2c6edd87612e685308ff118481894dd8f2d546a091b22e3660b043378472 There will very likely be Motorola phones sold in Brazil where GrapheneOS can be installed. It's already not legal to sell phones with it preinstalled after this law came into effect on March 17, although Apple and Google haven't finished implementing it themselves so they aren't in compliance either.

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                                    • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                      There aren't yet devices supporting GrapheneOS directly sold in South America. Brazil in particular has unusually high import duties/taxes which add up to around 100%. This has resulted in us not having a lot of users there but our Motorola partnership will start changing this.

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                                      People are going to have their personal info leaked by third party age verification services due to these laws. Children are going to be harmed by apps and websites changing their behavior to exploit them. It isn't going to stop minors finding pornography if they want to find it.

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                                      • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                        People are going to have their personal info leaked by third party age verification services due to these laws. Children are going to be harmed by apps and websites changing their behavior to exploit them. It isn't going to stop minors finding pornography if they want to find it.

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                                        @GrapheneOS this. Meta is lobbying for this heavily and they have systematically put minors in harm's way and exploited them for profit for years and they aren't gonna stop. they only want this to more effectively and thoroughly exploit people. they wouldn't spend large sums on this unless they thought it would serve them, not their users.

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                                        • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                          People are going to have their personal info leaked by third party age verification services due to these laws. Children are going to be harmed by apps and websites changing their behavior to exploit them. It isn't going to stop minors finding pornography if they want to find it.

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                                          @GrapheneOS

                                          Another possible scenario: Those over 18 and playing by the rules by doing the age verification are labeled as porn addicts with online addiction. Depending on how long they are on those site(s) and what fetish is normal or not. Here is the therapy and institutions we recommend. Future data leaks from the outsourced companies for the age verification are top info for data brokers to get big $$$.

                                          This "verification" works on both sides.

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