This is an excellent a-political explainer about why the actual act of Alberta, or any province, "separating" from Canada is a very difficult, maybe impossible, prospect.
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@chris Of course that assumes people don't get really grumpy, angry, armed and decide to take things into their own hands... then another set of rules will be enforced.
@ManyRoads ya, thankfully, i think that possibility is extremely extremely remote.
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This is an excellent a-political explainer about why the actual act of Alberta, or any province, "separating" from Canada is a very difficult, maybe impossible, prospect.
It's worth the time (14 minutes) Including if you're not Canadian and want a relatively quick summary of the some of the very Canadian history and processes.
#Canada #Separatism #Alberta #USA #CanPoli #CdnPoli #TheAmericanFascist #USA #CBC
Why Alberta’s separation from Canada is almost impossible | About That
Alberta's separatist sentiment has resurged in recent months amid the Trump administration's comments about the province's future, coupled with economic and political tensions with the Canadian government. Andrew Chang explains what it would actually take to grant sovereignty to a Canadian province, and why it's so difficult to achieve. Images provided by The Canadian Press, Reuters, Adobe Stock and Getty Images
CBC (www.cbc.ca)
@chris The UN charter recognizes the right to self determination:
Article 1, paragraph 2, states that one of the purposes of the United Nations is the following:
To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace.After Québec, Canada passed a referendum law to require a referendum be clear and supported for the federal govt to honour it.
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This is an excellent a-political explainer about why the actual act of Alberta, or any province, "separating" from Canada is a very difficult, maybe impossible, prospect.
It's worth the time (14 minutes) Including if you're not Canadian and want a relatively quick summary of the some of the very Canadian history and processes.
#Canada #Separatism #Alberta #USA #CanPoli #CdnPoli #TheAmericanFascist #USA #CBC
Why Alberta’s separation from Canada is almost impossible | About That
Alberta's separatist sentiment has resurged in recent months amid the Trump administration's comments about the province's future, coupled with economic and political tensions with the Canadian government. Andrew Chang explains what it would actually take to grant sovereignty to a Canadian province, and why it's so difficult to achieve. Images provided by The Canadian Press, Reuters, Adobe Stock and Getty Images
CBC (www.cbc.ca)
@chris So if Alberta gets a yes to a clear question on separation with appropriate support, Canada will have to honour its results and be forced to negotiate.
And the negotiations will be in line of limiting the damage and ensuring BC remains connected to Canada (right of free passage on highways etc).
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This is an excellent a-political explainer about why the actual act of Alberta, or any province, "separating" from Canada is a very difficult, maybe impossible, prospect.
It's worth the time (14 minutes) Including if you're not Canadian and want a relatively quick summary of the some of the very Canadian history and processes.
#Canada #Separatism #Alberta #USA #CanPoli #CdnPoli #TheAmericanFascist #USA #CBC
Why Alberta’s separation from Canada is almost impossible | About That
Alberta's separatist sentiment has resurged in recent months amid the Trump administration's comments about the province's future, coupled with economic and political tensions with the Canadian government. Andrew Chang explains what it would actually take to grant sovereignty to a Canadian province, and why it's so difficult to achieve. Images provided by The Canadian Press, Reuters, Adobe Stock and Getty Images
CBC (www.cbc.ca)
@chris When Canada became a country, the first nation treaties signed with the crown were transfered to Canada who has to honour them. One would assume that a separating Alberta would also have to inherit and honour the portions of the treaties that pertain to Alberta. I don't think this would be a big issue, and Donald J Smoth would likely even promise better trearment of first nations under separate AB to gain votes.
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@chris As as Quebeckers who has lived through 2 referendums...
In Québec it was driven by cultural emotions stirred by the yes camp. Video of residents of Brockville ON stepping onto and spitting on a Québec flag was shown over and over for 2nd one.
With today's disinformation tools, Danielle/Donald J Smith would be able to stirr up anger against Canada very easily and if the residents will be sucked into that propaganda. Don't underestimate it.
There is a large contingent (~60%) of Albertans who are strongly opposed all of this, and only 8% who are strongly committed to this. The numbers are nothing like they were in Quebec. But you are right, we shouldn’t be complacent: the remaining 30% need to hear from Quebecers about everything your province lost just from going through the process: the businesses and investment moving that moved out, the people who decided they’d rather live somewhere else. Even if the Alberta bid fails spectacularly a year or two from now, the consequences of people even thinking it’s possible are already being felt.
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This is an excellent a-political explainer about why the actual act of Alberta, or any province, "separating" from Canada is a very difficult, maybe impossible, prospect.
It's worth the time (14 minutes) Including if you're not Canadian and want a relatively quick summary of the some of the very Canadian history and processes.
#Canada #Separatism #Alberta #USA #CanPoli #CdnPoli #TheAmericanFascist #USA #CBC
Why Alberta’s separation from Canada is almost impossible | About That
Alberta's separatist sentiment has resurged in recent months amid the Trump administration's comments about the province's future, coupled with economic and political tensions with the Canadian government. Andrew Chang explains what it would actually take to grant sovereignty to a Canadian province, and why it's so difficult to achieve. Images provided by The Canadian Press, Reuters, Adobe Stock and Getty Images
CBC (www.cbc.ca)
@chris Negotiating national debt split , and pension plan can be done if there is goodwill. For instance, look at the value of Canadian govt assets physically in Alberta vs those in rest of country as percentage of debt Alberta would need to take on. This was never resolved for Québec.
Monaco doesn't have its own railway or postal system, they pay France to run them in Monaco. It is likely Alberta might do the same for many services initially and progressively bring them in house.
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@chris When Canada became a country, the first nation treaties signed with the crown were transfered to Canada who has to honour them. One would assume that a separating Alberta would also have to inherit and honour the portions of the treaties that pertain to Alberta. I don't think this would be a big issue, and Donald J Smoth would likely even promise better trearment of first nations under separate AB to gain votes.
@jfmezei this is all part of the video! It's well done. And makes that point that while all of this is technically possible, the actual likelihood of everything lining up resulting in separation is very slim in indeed. The indigenous question in particular I think is a show stopper because the treaties were signed with the Crown before Alberta was even a province.
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There is a large contingent (~60%) of Albertans who are strongly opposed all of this, and only 8% who are strongly committed to this. The numbers are nothing like they were in Quebec. But you are right, we shouldn’t be complacent: the remaining 30% need to hear from Quebecers about everything your province lost just from going through the process: the businesses and investment moving that moved out, the people who decided they’d rather live somewhere else. Even if the Alberta bid fails spectacularly a year or two from now, the consequences of people even thinking it’s possible are already being felt.
@DavidM_yeg @jfmezei yup! that point is well made in the video as well.
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This is an excellent a-political explainer about why the actual act of Alberta, or any province, "separating" from Canada is a very difficult, maybe impossible, prospect.
It's worth the time (14 minutes) Including if you're not Canadian and want a relatively quick summary of the some of the very Canadian history and processes.
#Canada #Separatism #Alberta #USA #CanPoli #CdnPoli #TheAmericanFascist #USA #CBC
Why Alberta’s separation from Canada is almost impossible | About That
Alberta's separatist sentiment has resurged in recent months amid the Trump administration's comments about the province's future, coupled with economic and political tensions with the Canadian government. Andrew Chang explains what it would actually take to grant sovereignty to a Canadian province, and why it's so difficult to achieve. Images provided by The Canadian Press, Reuters, Adobe Stock and Getty Images
CBC (www.cbc.ca)
@chris The breakup of USSR and the Balkans provide some insight into how it could be done. (Though not sure if Soviet Union had any debts, they probably printed money to pay for everything).
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There is a large contingent (~60%) of Albertans who are strongly opposed all of this, and only 8% who are strongly committed to this. The numbers are nothing like they were in Quebec. But you are right, we shouldn’t be complacent: the remaining 30% need to hear from Quebecers about everything your province lost just from going through the process: the businesses and investment moving that moved out, the people who decided they’d rather live somewhere else. Even if the Alberta bid fails spectacularly a year or two from now, the consequences of people even thinking it’s possible are already being felt.
@DavidM_yeg @chris DOn't underestimate the brainwashing once Danielle J Smith starts to list all the stuff Alberta pays to Ottawa and never gets back. (not mentioning for instance that she is the one who refused money to help transition from oil to renewables). it will all paint it as Alberta money going to help subsidize the french in Québec or central canada /Toronto).
Remember how Trump was able to hoodwink people into beleiveing windmills cause cancer. Don't underestimate propaganda.
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@jfmezei this is all part of the video! It's well done. And makes that point that while all of this is technically possible, the actual likelihood of everything lining up resulting in separation is very slim in indeed. The indigenous question in particular I think is a show stopper because the treaties were signed with the Crown before Alberta was even a province.
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@pinhman @chris Not necessarily. Alberta can simply take on existing first nation treaties and honour the portions that pertain to its territory.
In fact, it would be likely that Alberta would inherit all federal govt laws at time of separation and then decide what to do with them over time.
What is not automatic are international trade deals between Canada and other countries. Can't be just transfered to AB without OK from the other country.
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@pinhman @chris Not necessarily. Alberta can simply take on existing first nation treaties and honour the portions that pertain to its territory.
In fact, it would be likely that Alberta would inherit all federal govt laws at time of separation and then decide what to do with them over time.
What is not automatic are international trade deals between Canada and other countries. Can't be just transfered to AB without OK from the other country.
