The @Vivaldi servers are in Iceland.

[falcennial@mastodon.social]

@jon @Vivaldi perfection

[sv1@mastodon.social]

@jon @Vivaldi You must then make sure that your energy suppliers don't sell you electricity with certificates of provenance from coal, oil or nuclear, right?
Because the Icelandic producers/distributors have been selling such green absolution-certificates to European markets, instead we get those 'dirty' stamps on our energy.

Personally I pay ~1.65 ISK extra per kWh just to keep my electricity green, denying the joy of gambling to those suits... 🥴

[jmovs@mastodon.social]

@jon @Vivaldi it is only in so far green as the physical electrons are green but if the co2 certificates associated with it are traded in along Europe as is common, they might be used to greenwash coal electricity in Europe and actually have associated emissions. Does Vivaldi procure co2 emission free electrons in Iceland?

[jkambber@social.vivaldi.net]

@jon wow, you mean the main servers of @Vivaldi stay all in Iceland? Sir

[trittriton@shelter.moe]

@sv1 @jon @Vivaldi But nuclear is the ONLY non carbon-based/emitting fossil energy source. That makes it the only fossil energy that does not worsen the greenhouse effect. Though it’s not perfect nor without its own risks, you can’t consider it the same way as coal, oil or gas.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@jmovs @jon @Vivaldi

sure but then the point is to argue for better, against co2 certificates

not create negativity on a decent set up vivaldi and iceland has

not saying you're doing that, but some people might

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@sv1 @jon @Vivaldi

you're moving the argument from "this is good" to "but i want perfect"

so the proper actions for your valid criticisms is to push back against energy suppliers, not against vivaldi

[sv1@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @jon @Vivaldi In Iceland it depends on the distributor how easy it is to get the certificates of origin for your current, some make it a [volontarily] very convoluted process - and more expensive.
Actually, you can't even prove that the energy is always 100% green, some fisheries in the Eastern and Western fjords do need to use fossil fuels during spike-activity in late winter (capelin-season, mackerel).

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@sv1 @jon @Vivaldi

right. so criticize that, not vivaldi

[sv1@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @jon @Vivaldi Wasn't criticising, definately not blaming Vivaldi, just pointing out that not all energy in Iceland is certified 100% green.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@sv1 @jon @Vivaldi

i feel you, i have no problem with you

my problem is how these conversations can become "everything sucks and then you die" type threads

i'm not blaming you for this, just how endless criticism can devolve

we should celebrate good moves, and improve on them

accentuate the positive

and point our criticisms at those who truly deserve it

[juergen_hubert@mementomori.social]

@jon @Vivaldi

Plus, cooking is relatively cheap at that latitude.