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[synnef@woof.tech]

@IzzyOnDroid it's very disturbing that so many people took google announcing the "advanced flow" for "sideloading" apps as a victory

announce something extremely bad, then make the conditions a little better while not addressing your proposal's root problem, and the general sentiment becomes "welp, this is fine, it could be worse" instead of "we need to keep fighting because our activism is working"

so yeah, keep fighting, you do an amazing job

[kasiandra@chaos.social]

@IzzyOnDroid so motorla is working to bring a @GrapheneOS device (as far i know). @jolla could be also been an alternative. My shity unrootable Nokia works, but if I can't install my apps anymore, my new device must be somthing with Graphene. I don't want an american controlled device without controll. Will fight against this decision, but if google don't allow sideloading I need something more secure.

[king_of_ooo@defcon.social]

@kasiandra @IzzyOnDroid Jolla is largely proprietary so I would recommend avoiding it like the plague.

[schaf@netzkms.de]

@WeirdWriter @IzzyOnDroid they'd first have to develop a working operating system for smartphones.

[ki@chaos.social]

@IzzyOnDroid
what I don't get is, there was an EU court ruling that apple had to allow alternative app shops... why does that not apply to Google?

[edybolos@androiddev.social]

@ki @IzzyOnDroid doesn't the same ruling still allow apple to require apps to be notarized, even if they are distributed on 3rd party app stores? this is basically the same.

[steppl@mastodon.social]

@IzzyOnDroid

The option of "sideloading" without hassle, was years ago (and sofar) the argument for me to go to Android.

But looks like FDroid and alike stores do something right so google wants to protect their market positions. 🤬

[zebidijah@mastodon.social]

@IzzyOnDroid so if I'm locked into a walled garden that won't let me load and run the code I want... Why would I not just opt for the better build quality of an iPhone??

What benefit is left in androids favor if it's just going to act like Apple, which is what drove me to android in the first place??

I foresee a zero-app future and a return/rise of web apps (self hosted or otherwise) instead...

[jwz@mastodon.social]

@IzzyOnDroid They pioneered this with me a year and a half ago. They locked me out of the "Play" [sic] store and made me unable to update my decade+-old app because I wouldn't give them a lock of my hair. https://jwz.org/b/ykcj

[izzyondroid@floss.social]

@webkitten TBH, and this is my personal voice here (though shared by some of our team for sure): this is one of the reasons I enjoy my SHIFT phone for. Android 15 (currently), no Google (by choice; they support two variants of their ShiftOS: with, or without Google – I've chosen the latter). And the libre ROM with full sopport from the device vendor They support their community, at SHIFT

[izzyondroid@floss.social]

@synnef the thing is: that mail does not even mention the possibility of an "advanced flow" – it simply says "sign or die". As if it has been dropped again.

[tillbtc@mastodon.social]

@IzzyOnDroid There are though.. but I agree this is not ideal at all for an "open" system. Apps will still be installable, whether you sideload or push from pc. There will just be pretty annoying hurdles to go the sideload route. Had me worried there!! My projects app folder was about to be deleted.

[izzyondroid@floss.social]

@kasiandra There are more candidates even: Murena with /e/OS, @shiftphones with ShiftOS-L, and if I remember correctly, Fairphone also has several options. The Linux ones might catch up soon as well with mainstream readiness (thinking of postmarketOS here). Hopefully I forgot some more here, as there cannot be enough

[izzyondroid@floss.social]

@steppl by "alike stores" you mean @IzzyOnDroidOrg and others I guess? 🥰 Yes, I hope we're doing something right. We give our best!

[webkitten@tech.lgbt]

@IzzyOnDroid I'm currently trying to debate whether or not to get a Pixel just to put GrapheneOS on it.

[izzyondroid@floss.social]

@jwz luckily you know at least two places accepting you and your apps without doxxing you. We don't want your personal data – and I mean that: what we don't have, we cannot loose. We need to know it's really you? OK, there's always GPG & friends ("sign your commits"). But of what interest to us is your private data? ‍️ But then, we make no money with our "store". We do not sell ads (or data). We runs things because we love to do stuff with and for the community. Support is of course welcome

[interpipes@thx.gg]

@IzzyOnDroid @neil Countries that are not the "Select Countries" is where the exception lives. The likely translation here is that consumers in a market without functioning consumer protection bodies / law will be the "Select Countries" where those apps can't be loaded.

[izzyondroid@floss.social]

@niedlichenacktschnecke Google certified (i.e. "ships with GApps etc"). If you're running a libre ROM without GApps, you're liberated from that.

[sir_limpalot@mastodon.social]

@IzzyOnDroid I've been on Android since the beginning, but that ends next time I'm buying a new phone.
"Don't be evil" silently disappeared ...

[itseperkele@expressional.social]

@seanking @IzzyOnDroid

Because google thinks we are morons. They think that we are not smart enough to use our devices responsibly. They also think we are stupid enough to buy their bullshit excuses.