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  3. Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

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  • X xenonchromatic@mastodon.social

    @jamesthomson "risk devaluing our entire profession..." To the people developing these models, this isn't a bug, its intended behavior.

    jamesthomson@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    @xenonchromatic Indeed.

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    • jamesthomson@mastodon.socialJ jamesthomson@mastodon.social

      Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

      Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

      Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

      davidhmccoy@mastodon.worldD This user is from outside of this forum
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      @jamesthomson

      I know a manager who suggested someone use AI to write a simple description of a piece of code.

      Nuts.

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        @amyinorbit I mean, aside from the personal, ethical, societal, financial, and environmental issues, it's just great.

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        • jamesthomson@mastodon.socialJ jamesthomson@mastodon.social

          Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

          Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

          Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

          colincornaby@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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          @jamesthomson I think the problem is developers don't really consider any unattributed use of open source as stealing - just a mild grey area. (They should consider it stealing.)

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          • the_other_jon@mastodon.socialT the_other_jon@mastodon.social

            @jamesthomson I stopped supporting ATP because of their change from “AI is theft” to “you should pay $20 per month for ChatGPT.”

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            @the_other_jon @jamesthomson John Siracusa seems to offer the most balanced perspective there, but yeah it's pretty grim. I mostly don't listen any more. And don't get me started on MacStories omfg 😵‍💫

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            • jamesthomson@mastodon.socialJ jamesthomson@mastodon.social

              Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

              Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

              Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

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              @jamesthomson Also developers: Vibe-coding generative AI models were built on our stolen source code, we're all being laid off, please hire us.

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              • jamesthomson@mastodon.socialJ jamesthomson@mastodon.social

                Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

                estranged@indieweb.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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                @jamesthomson
                I would be interested in training a model based on my own code. I spend a decent amount of time looking through my own code to find something I know I’ve done before.

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                • colincornaby@mastodon.socialC colincornaby@mastodon.social

                  @jamesthomson I think the problem is developers don't really consider any unattributed use of open source as stealing - just a mild grey area. (They should consider it stealing.)

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                  @colincornaby @jamesthomson Open source != public domain, and free software != free (it's free speech, not free beer), but apparently many developers are clueless re: all those nuances. ☹️

                  Perhaps if all LLM-generated code was legally automatically placed in public domain, we'd see a bit of a light bulb moment. 😂

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                  • jamesthomson@mastodon.socialJ jamesthomson@mastodon.social

                    Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                    Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                    Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

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                    @jamesthomson I’ve been struggling with this cognitive dissonance for years.

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                    • estranged@indieweb.socialE estranged@indieweb.social

                      @jamesthomson
                      I would be interested in training a model based on my own code. I spend a decent amount of time looking through my own code to find something I know I’ve done before.

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                      @estranged My understanding is that there isn't enough data in a small set like that to actually train usefully, as a standalone thing. So it's always going to be based on other models, with your training on top.

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