@krans @hacks4pancakes only if you like women as people rather than objects. I mean Michael and Georgiou are glorious but not if you want your women as props for a male protagonist.

@hacks4pancakes The weird thing is…I don’t think those older guys were bothered about relating to characters. The major difference between old trek and new as I see it is the focus of the shows. Old trek was about story with characters being pretty thin props for whatever story there was that week. New trek is the other way around - very shakey thin story as props for character focus.

I hope they do a show that’s both again, like DS9 became.

@hacks4pancakes I’m
so tired: I don’t want more fucking stories about me, I want to see other stories.

@hacks4pancakes I hadn’t had time to watch Starfleet Academy, but the way certain demographics reacted sounded like it was worth the watch, Discovery had its moments that were a bit flat but largely I enjoyed it particularly after the jump to the 32nd

@anthony @hacks4pancakes OMG I love it so much!!!! I wish I had that office/quarters.

@hacks4pancakes as a straight white old dude I could not agree with you more. The show came at us from a completely different vector and I am sad that it was cancelled.

@hacks4pancakes I felt a little old watching Academy, but the characters and cast were so great. I loved the chemistry of the faculty and of Holly Hunter vs Paul Giamatti

And Discovery was just fucking fantastic.

@hacks4pancakes
Everyone who says "Not my *insert franchise here*" is speaking from a place of misguided nostalgia.

Yes, I'm a straight white man. I also grew up on Next Generation Trek and the TOS movies. Anyone who says Discovery and Starfleet Academy aren't Star Trek needs their heads examined.

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Startrek has always changed with the times and been a bastion of diversity and representation. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand startrek in my humble opinion.

@hacks4pancakes As a straight, cis, white millennial male my only gripe with Discovery is that it wasn’t set int the 32nd century from the beginning. These shows live up to Star Trek’s core ideals and are products of their time tackling issues of their time, just as the Treks that came before them did.

People who bemoan “woke” Star Trek never truly understood it to begin with.

@hacks4pancakes Oh, yes, I VERY much agree, this video reaction from a white cishet guy “critic” had me LIVID: https://tech.lgbt/@crowbriarhexe/116286573751593421

@hacks4pancakes Discovery is the only one I've watched a full series of and I take a sick pleasure in letting certain people know this.

I'm not the target audience for these "legacy franchise" things anyway. I'll watch utter muck if it's at least new. But if you are going to do something in a really well-established setting it only makes sense to try something new.

(Andor did this but in a "stories for boys" way so that's allowed, or something)

@hacks4pancakes Agreed.

I absolutely loved Discovery, and it was the re-entry point for me to check out other newer Trekkie shows. The fact that it's "so contentious" tells me the show did what it set out to do: hook (or summon back) a broader audience.

@hacks4pancakes As a stale pale male, the thing that bothers me most about Academy and post-jump Disco is the ship sections not touching. That's three ships in formation! That is not one ship! I don't care if it identifies as the same ship!
Ok, I'll go back to my oatmeal now.

@hacks4pancakes Kurtzman Trek apologists really need to pick a lane between "Trek has always been woke" and "Finally, the first Trek that is not solely for toxic white dudebros" it's VERY confusing

@hacks4pancakes Actually I am straight white male and Gen X and I love Starfleet Academy and I love the glorious queerness of Discovery even if Michael is to much of a Mary Sue. I think who doesn't and calls themselves a trekker should read up on the IDIC principle.

@hacks4pancakes I'm not the target audience. And I'm completely ok with that.

@hacks4pancakes Straight old white guy here. I was totally into Starfleet Academy. Commander Reno is my spirit animal.

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I was actually thinking about this as I was watching #StarfleetAcademy.

I'm an absolutely from-the-start 1st Gen #Trekkie

& I have my issues with the quality of some of the writing.

But I can't express how stoked I am to see the wild range & variety of characters. It's just so freakin' glorious.

@hacks4pancakes Ffff, this thread is how I found out that SFA will only get one more season.

I had mixed feelings about Discovery over its run, but loved SFA immediately. It was my favourite of the live action new Trek series, hands down.

It's wild to me to what degree certain franchise fans don't acknowledge or even *see* who has actually been in their fandom for literal decades, ever since there's been a fandom; before there was an internet, and sometimes before they were on Earth, enjoying something even though it wasn't primarily intended for them.