People just aren’t ready for the conversation about Starfleet Academy and Discovery just not being primarily intended for an audience eye of straight, white, millennial and older dudes.
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@hacks4pancakes I haven’t really seen either but it does make me wonder if the historical acceptance/championing of Uhura, Sulu, and (to a lesser extent) Chekhov only happened because Kirk being there and in command was reassuring to that original audience…
@arcadiagt5 @hacks4pancakes the counter revolution wasn’t properly organised then either.
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People just aren’t ready for the conversation about Starfleet Academy and Discovery just not being primarily intended for an audience eye of straight, white, millennial and older dudes. And how much *other* Trekkie fan audiences could relate to the characters, finally.
@hacks4pancakes I was so so disappointed when I heard they canceled Starfleet Academy!
I do match that demographic you mentioned (straight white older dude) but my opinions have never aligned with what it seems the majority of them (us?) think.
I thought it got off to a slowish start, but as the episodes started fleshing out the characters it was really getting me involved and caring about them. I thought the last couple of episodes were great!
So boo on Paramount!
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@hacks4pancakes “solely”, not even “primarily “.
I mean I’m from the 70s, straight, male, cis and white Irish (more or less) and I enjoyed them but it’s an outrage they weren’t designed just for me.
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@hacks4pancakes Yup. Lots of men need to learn that, “Not everything is for you.”
Fortunately Discovery and Academy have plenty for straight white millennial cis men to enjoy, too.
@krans obviously not exclusively so it can’t be any good
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People just aren’t ready for the conversation about Starfleet Academy and Discovery just not being primarily intended for an audience eye of straight, white, millennial and older dudes. And how much *other* Trekkie fan audiences could relate to the characters, finally.
@hacks4pancakes is this not standard Star Trek knowledge?
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@krans obviously not exclusively so it can’t be any good
@hacks4pancakes See also, ‘The Last Jedi’.
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People just aren’t ready for the conversation about Starfleet Academy and Discovery just not being primarily intended for an audience eye of straight, white, millennial and older dudes. And how much *other* Trekkie fan audiences could relate to the characters, finally.
@hacks4pancakes I enjoyed both. Really enjoyed SFA, actually. Definitely not envious of Ake's Frank Lloyd Wright inspired office. No, not at all…
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@hacks4pancakes Yup. Lots of men need to learn that, “Not everything is for you.”
Fortunately Discovery and Academy have plenty for straight white millennial cis men to enjoy, too.
@krans @hacks4pancakes only if you like women as people rather than objects. I mean Michael and Georgiou are glorious but not if you want your women as props for a male protagonist.
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People just aren’t ready for the conversation about Starfleet Academy and Discovery just not being primarily intended for an audience eye of straight, white, millennial and older dudes. And how much *other* Trekkie fan audiences could relate to the characters, finally.
@hacks4pancakes The weird thing is…I don’t think those older guys were bothered about relating to characters. The major difference between old trek and new as I see it is the focus of the shows. Old trek was about story with characters being pretty thin props for whatever story there was that week. New trek is the other way around - very shakey thin story as props for character focus.
I hope they do a show that’s both again, like DS9 became.
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@hacks4pancakes I’m
so tired: I don’t want more fucking stories about me, I want to see other stories. -
People just aren’t ready for the conversation about Starfleet Academy and Discovery just not being primarily intended for an audience eye of straight, white, millennial and older dudes. And how much *other* Trekkie fan audiences could relate to the characters, finally.
@hacks4pancakes I hadn’t had time to watch Starfleet Academy, but the way certain demographics reacted sounded like it was worth the watch, Discovery had its moments that were a bit flat but largely I enjoyed it particularly after the jump to the 32nd
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@hacks4pancakes I enjoyed both. Really enjoyed SFA, actually. Definitely not envious of Ake's Frank Lloyd Wright inspired office. No, not at all…
@anthony @hacks4pancakes OMG I love it so much!!!! I wish I had that office/quarters.
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People just aren’t ready for the conversation about Starfleet Academy and Discovery just not being primarily intended for an audience eye of straight, white, millennial and older dudes. And how much *other* Trekkie fan audiences could relate to the characters, finally.
@hacks4pancakes as a straight white old dude I could not agree with you more. The show came at us from a completely different vector and I am sad that it was cancelled.
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People just aren’t ready for the conversation about Starfleet Academy and Discovery just not being primarily intended for an audience eye of straight, white, millennial and older dudes. And how much *other* Trekkie fan audiences could relate to the characters, finally.
@hacks4pancakes I felt a little old watching Academy, but the characters and cast were so great. I loved the chemistry of the faculty and of Holly Hunter vs Paul Giamatti
And Discovery was just fucking fantastic.
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Not me being actual walking Captain Ake as a senior engineer and military veteran.
@hacks4pancakes
Everyone who says "Not my *insert franchise here*" is speaking from a place of misguided nostalgia.Yes, I'm a straight white man. I also grew up on Next Generation Trek and the TOS movies. Anyone who says Discovery and Starfleet Academy aren't Star Trek needs their heads examined.
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People just aren’t ready for the conversation about Starfleet Academy and Discovery just not being primarily intended for an audience eye of straight, white, millennial and older dudes. And how much *other* Trekkie fan audiences could relate to the characters, finally.
Startrek has always changed with the times and been a bastion of diversity and representation. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand startrek in my humble opinion.
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People just aren’t ready for the conversation about Starfleet Academy and Discovery just not being primarily intended for an audience eye of straight, white, millennial and older dudes. And how much *other* Trekkie fan audiences could relate to the characters, finally.
@hacks4pancakes As a straight, cis, white millennial male my only gripe with Discovery is that it wasn’t set int the 32nd century from the beginning. These shows live up to Star Trek’s core ideals and are products of their time tackling issues of their time, just as the Treks that came before them did.
People who bemoan “woke” Star Trek never truly understood it to begin with.
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Months of me wanting to scream, “but we’re the audience for this, not you!” Into an internet void.
@hacks4pancakes Oh, yes, I VERY much agree, this video reaction from a white cishet guy “critic” had me LIVID: https://tech.lgbt/@crowbriarhexe/116286573751593421
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People just aren’t ready for the conversation about Starfleet Academy and Discovery just not being primarily intended for an audience eye of straight, white, millennial and older dudes. And how much *other* Trekkie fan audiences could relate to the characters, finally.
@hacks4pancakes Discovery is the only one I've watched a full series of and I take a sick pleasure in letting certain people know this.
I'm not the target audience for these "legacy franchise" things anyway. I'll watch utter muck if it's at least new. But if you are going to do something in a really well-established setting it only makes sense to try something new.
(Andor did this but in a "stories for boys" way so that's allowed, or something)
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People just aren’t ready for the conversation about Starfleet Academy and Discovery just not being primarily intended for an audience eye of straight, white, millennial and older dudes. And how much *other* Trekkie fan audiences could relate to the characters, finally.
@hacks4pancakes Agreed.
I absolutely loved Discovery, and it was the re-entry point for me to check out other newer Trekkie shows. The fact that it's "so contentious" tells me the show did what it set out to do: hook (or summon back) a broader audience.
