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  3. Every week, sometimes more than once, we are taking calls or messages about the same single situation facing an activist(s) post arrest.

Every week, sometimes more than once, we are taking calls or messages about the same single situation facing an activist(s) post arrest.

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  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

    It gets worse. Even if your phone is powered off before arrest (generally wise), a well resourced forensics team could have access anyway, using tooling like Cellebrite. At the current time only GrapheneOS & recent iOS versions _seem_ Cellebrite-resistant. That could soon change.

    Regardless, not handing over access can have you legally pivoted as obstructing the course of justice. This is increasingly the case, & the penalties can be too cruel for many to bear, caving under pressure.

    3/n

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    @JulianOliver if you're going to do something where you have the potential to be arrested, probably best to leave the noisebox at home. even with grapheneos/ios latest versions.

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    • jae@mastodon.bsd.cafeJ jae@mastodon.bsd.cafe

      @JulianOliver if you're going to do something where you have the potential to be arrested, probably best to leave the noisebox at home. even with grapheneos/ios latest versions.

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      @jae @JulianOliver Picture the venn diagram of people that go to street happenings, people that are emotionally dependent on their phones and people that are completely fucking retarded.
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      • mombi@dsmc.spaceM mombi@dsmc.space
        @jae @JulianOliver Picture the venn diagram of people that go to street happenings, people that are emotionally dependent on their phones and people that are completely fucking retarded.
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        @Mombi @JulianOliver there are shovels to which people dig their own graves

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        • jae@mastodon.bsd.cafeJ jae@mastodon.bsd.cafe

          @Mombi @JulianOliver there are shovels to which people dig their own graves

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          @jae @JulianOliver Ok but you don't need to post gore at me.
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          • mombi@dsmc.spaceM mombi@dsmc.space
            @jae @JulianOliver Ok but you don't need to post gore at me.
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            @Mombi @JulianOliver last i checked, spacemen were not made of glass. you'll be fine

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            • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

              I realise this can all sound unrealistic, excessive. After all, so often we don't wake up planning to join a march, but there we are by mid-afternoon.

              Reality is tricky however, & so if you are time & means privileged enough to get & setup a protest burner, do it. If not, just leave the smartphone at home (& have a fallback meeting point & time arranged). You'll be living the old French proverb "It's better to prevent than heal", keeping those you care about, the cause, & yourself, safe.

              5/5

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              @JulianOliver I don't think it's realistic for anyone except a trained spy to have a burner phone. Leave it powered on once on your way to or from home and it's linked to you.

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              • aburka@hachyderm.ioA aburka@hachyderm.io

                @JulianOliver I don't think it's realistic for anyone except a trained spy to have a burner phone. Leave it powered on once on your way to or from home and it's linked to you.

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                @aburka

                They're not talking about having an untraceable burner phone, just a phone with no secrets on it and that you can afford to lose.
                If you're arrested with it on you, they already know that's your phone...

                @JulianOliver

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                • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                  I realise this can all sound unrealistic, excessive. After all, so often we don't wake up planning to join a march, but there we are by mid-afternoon.

                  Reality is tricky however, & so if you are time & means privileged enough to get & setup a protest burner, do it. If not, just leave the smartphone at home (& have a fallback meeting point & time arranged). You'll be living the old French proverb "It's better to prevent than heal", keeping those you care about, the cause, & yourself, safe.

                  5/5

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                  @JulianOliver

                  i bought a cheap second phone and put signal and a business only email and business only team on it to fly on business trips where I might be subject to airport security overreach. Not even my chip is in it, although I could pick up an emergency burner chip if necessary. I can't begin to comprehend reasons to take my personal phone to a demonsration.

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                  • oldoldcojote@climatejustice.socialO oldoldcojote@climatejustice.social

                    @JulianOliver

                    i bought a cheap second phone and put signal and a business only email and business only team on it to fly on business trips where I might be subject to airport security overreach. Not even my chip is in it, although I could pick up an emergency burner chip if necessary. I can't begin to comprehend reasons to take my personal phone to a demonsration.

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                    @oldoldcojote Sane.

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                    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                      Oh yes, and if phone stays at home, write your emergency contact numbers on your arm, with a permanent marker.

                      If you are caught out with your personal phone, never say "I will not give you the password to this device", as you risk being legally pivoted for obstructing an investigation. Request a lawyer, or call your own if you or your group has one. Hopefully you are privileged enough to be in a jurisdiction where that matters.

                      6/5+1

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                      @JulianOliver what about Duress password and having a backup?

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                      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                        Oh yes, and if phone stays at home, write your emergency contact numbers on your arm, with a permanent marker.

                        If you are caught out with your personal phone, never say "I will not give you the password to this device", as you risk being legally pivoted for obstructing an investigation. Request a lawyer, or call your own if you or your group has one. Hopefully you are privileged enough to be in a jurisdiction where that matters.

                        6/5+1

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                        @JulianOliver thanks for repeating this wise opsec advice, might sound trivial to many security folks, but most people out there going to protests don't know that. A second phone with a prepaid SIM (or even just a Bluetooth/WiFi mesh connection) is not too burdensome to have for your peace of mind.

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