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  • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

    English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

    Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

    #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

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    @eltonfc I'm having trouble answering this question. I think my interpretation is more like a statement of intention (I seek to X).

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    • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

      English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

      Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

      #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

      eltonfc@bertha.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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      eltonfc@bertha.social
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      Please boost for reach etc etc

      Thanks!

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      • aarbrk@mstdn.mxA aarbrk@mstdn.mx

        @eltonfc I'm having trouble answering this question. I think my interpretation is more like a statement of intention (I seek to X).

        eltonfc@bertha.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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        @aarbrk in that case, X would be a verb in the infinitive.

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        • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

          English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

          Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

          #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

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          #6

          @hobbs ajuda aqui

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          • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

            English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

            Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

            #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

            hecate@merveilles.townH This user is from outside of this forum
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            @eltonfc
            I'm influenced by translations to my native language, which use the infinitive

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            • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

              English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

              Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

              #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

              rmtakata@bertha.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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              rmtakata@bertha.social
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              #8

              @eltonfc Uma subquestão: imperativo pra quem? Pro usuário ou pro sistema?

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              • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

                Iff English is your second language, how are these verbs tusually translated to *your* language in software interfaces?

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                @eltonfc That's the neat part! They don't.

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                • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

                  @aarbrk in that case, X would be a verb in the infinitive.

                  mk_rexx@metalhead.clubM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #10

                  @eltonfc @aarbrk ESL here. Did I understood it right, something like "save file" or "undo changes" would be imperative?

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                  • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

                    Iff English is your second language, how are these verbs tusually translated to *your* language in software interfaces?

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                    #11

                    @eltonfc I mean, if by infinitive you mean it has to have "to" on front of the verb ("to save" etc.), then mechanically, the English version is "imperative," while my interpretation is "infinitive" because in French it's translated as such.

                    If not, then it's infinitive for both.

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                    • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

                      English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

                      Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

                      #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

                      machinelordzero@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #12

                      @eltonfc Native, imperative. I tell the computer what to do, it does it, else there is a problem.

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                      • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

                        English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

                        Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

                        #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

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                        #13

                        @eltonfc I may be biased, because in French imperative and infinitive are different, and menu entries use infinitive

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                        • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

                          English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

                          Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

                          #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

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                          @eltonfc I read it kind of both. Interesting.

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                          • aarbrk@mstdn.mxA aarbrk@mstdn.mx

                            @eltonfc I'm having trouble answering this question. I think my interpretation is more like a statement of intention (I seek to X).

                            chtixof@mamot.frC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @aarbrk @eltonfc
                            IMHO, you wrote it: "to X" ➡️ infinitive 😉

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                            • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

                              English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

                              Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

                              #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

                              dveditz@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @eltonfc
                              before GUI we had a "command line interface" where you quite literally gave the computer "commands". How could they be anything other than imperative?

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                              • dveditz@infosec.exchangeD dveditz@infosec.exchange

                                @eltonfc
                                before GUI we had a "command line interface" where you quite literally gave the computer "commands". How could they be anything other than imperative?

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                                @dveditz @eltonfc a lot of these menu options lead to places though, dialogs. so you're figuratively entering a conversation. a command line rarely does that. your instructions are expected to be complete.

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                                • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

                                  English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

                                  Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

                                  #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

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                                  @eltonfc
                                  "Format" looks like an outlier. I read it as a noun 🙃

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                                  • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

                                    English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

                                    Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

                                    #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

                                    jubalbarca@scholar.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @eltonfc I'm not sure I really read them as either, though infinitive has to be closer I guess. The edit button is The Edit Button, it probably opens the Edit Menu, and so by using it I am not in my brain expressing any view or command about whether I want to edit or am commanding an edit, I am just trying to access or perhaps ascertain that particular software feature which may or may not be tied to what I'd think of as editing.

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                                    • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

                                      English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

                                      Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

                                      #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

                                      brad@1040ste.netB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @eltonfc Depends to some degree - if the menu is hierarchical then non-leaf options or those leading to dialogues (usually marked with an ellipsis) are infinitive and leaf options without an ellipsis are imperative, to me.

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                                      • r1rail@pouet.chapril.orgR r1rail@pouet.chapril.org

                                        @eltonfc I may be biased, because in French imperative and infinitive are different, and menu entries use infinitive

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                                        @R1Rail @eltonfc And it's far from the only situation where English used the imperative and French uses the infinitive. Recipes are another example.

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                                        • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

                                          English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

                                          Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

                                          #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

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                                          @eltonfc
                                          Interesting that I'm (so far) in the minority with Native+Imperative. But when learning (badly, in school) French the main thing that never entirely clicked for me was the whole "To Do", "To Read" thing as an actual word form so maybe I just don't get something fundamental here 🙂

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