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What's the opposite of doom scrolling?

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  • bradr@infosec.exchangeB bradr@infosec.exchange

    What's the opposite of doom scrolling?

    Spain just pulled off one of the fastest energy transformations in Europe.

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    @bradr Great news, but this is _only_ aboute electricity production. Is there a graph with _all_ energy and fossil use? I.e. including motor traffic (which still runs on oil), heavy industries and chemical processes?

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    • xerz@soc.masfloss.netX xerz@soc.masfloss.net

      @disorderlyf @mbpaz @bradr and yet I'm pretty certain the vast majority of capacity we got ever since is solar, where Iberdrola and friends just went ahead, bought a bunch of land, speedran through the permits and built the new power stations

      capacity which wasn't possible under a government infamous for taxing out power stations, the well-known "impuesto al sol" (Article 7 RD 900/2015, repealed in October 2018, taxing all production of solar energy even if for homes which were unplugged from the grid)

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      @xerz @disorderlyf @bradr The infamous "sun tax" applied to residential PV only - and industrial PV farms were perfectly happy with it, as it meant less PV production from residential customers, thus higher demand and higher prices in peak PV production hours. The boom in PV is just business. Lower investment, lower TCO (compared to wind etc).

      PV and wind installed power reached parity in 2024. Installed PV is growing at 25-30% annually, installed wind power is growing at 2-4%.

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      • bradr@infosec.exchangeB bradr@infosec.exchange

        What's the opposite of doom scrolling?

        Spain just pulled off one of the fastest energy transformations in Europe.

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        @bradr @inthehands What's the remaining 39%? Hydro and nuclear?

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        • bradr@infosec.exchangeB bradr@infosec.exchange

          What's the opposite of doom scrolling?

          Spain just pulled off one of the fastest energy transformations in Europe.

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          Electricity is typically around 10-20% of a country's total energy consumption. It's great that a lot of electricity is moving to renewable, but even when 100% of electricity is renewable, that means the country is 15% of the way (20% is only reached in countries with high EV adoption).
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          • michael@westergaard.socialM michael@westergaard.social
            Electricity is typically around 10-20% of a country's total energy consumption. It's great that a lot of electricity is moving to renewable, but even when 100% of electricity is renewable, that means the country is 15% of the way (20% is only reached in countries with high EV adoption).
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            @michael

            Electricity is typically around 10-20% of a country's total energy consumption.

            But that's changing, also.

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            • bradr@infosec.exchangeB bradr@infosec.exchange

              What's the opposite of doom scrolling?

              Spain just pulled off one of the fastest energy transformations in Europe.

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              @bradr I don't know, the opposite of "doom scrolling" is in Spanish.

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              • axel@hsnl.socialA axel@hsnl.social

                @bradr
                Where is the other (100 - 44 - 17) = 39 % ?

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                @bradr
                Nuclear and hydro, apparently, but the toot was deleted.

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                • mbpaz@mas.toM mbpaz@mas.to

                  @xerz @disorderlyf @bradr The infamous "sun tax" applied to residential PV only - and industrial PV farms were perfectly happy with it, as it meant less PV production from residential customers, thus higher demand and higher prices in peak PV production hours. The boom in PV is just business. Lower investment, lower TCO (compared to wind etc).

                  PV and wind installed power reached parity in 2024. Installed PV is growing at 25-30% annually, installed wind power is growing at 2-4%.

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                  @mbpaz @disorderlyf @bradr Okay I might not be reading well the old law, but I understood the old tax ("peaje") applied to everyone, and they were just specifiying "autoconsumo" even for those who are not connected to the grid

                  the PV boom is net business indeed tho, I just understood that the Rajoy administration was hostile enough with the aforementioned tax (which killed the previous, Zapatero-era policy of solar panel roofs in new lots) that the numbers stopped making sense until it got all lifted

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                    @thegarbagebird I lived long enough to believe that it takes quite a while. Give it some thought. I'm sure you will realize that adoption takes quite a long time for big shifts. Just look at railroads.

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                    • mbpaz@mas.toM mbpaz@mas.to

                      @gekko3k @bradr if I recall correctly, Germany still produces more photovoltaic power than Spain.

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                      @mbpaz @gekko3k @bradr I don't think impossible is the right word here. This is Poland's energy mix over 20years (and look at Spain's energy mix around 2020 for comparison).

                      Btw, Poland's goal is not to reach 50%, but to produce the majority of energy from renewable sources.

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                        @thegarbagebird I would say so. I could only wish the US were half as fast. I live in Arizona. There is very little solar despite unrelenting sunshine. Every parking lot could have shaded parking that contributes to the grid. Can we do that? In 2026 the answer is still "no."

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                        • bradr@infosec.exchangeB bradr@infosec.exchange

                          What's the opposite of doom scrolling?

                          Spain just pulled off one of the fastest energy transformations in Europe.

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                          @bradr The headquarters of the Instituto Cervantes in Utrecht, seized by Spain's debts towards renewables

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                          Embargada la sede del Instituto Cervantes en Utrecht por deudas

                          Un tribunal neerlandés autorizó el embargo de la sede del Instituto Cervantes en Utrecht por impagos derivados del recorte a las renovables aprobado por el Gobierno español en 2013.

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                            @bradr and that is why the EU wants to destroy this process

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                            @KimeraGupta @bradr That makes zero sense: When you can no longer buy solar panels you keep producing electricity with the current ones, for many years; while the moment you can't buy fossil fuels you stop generating energy because they're single use. You burn it and it's gone. And as the skyrocketing fuel prices have shown us, that's a critical dependency.

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                            • gim@lou.ltG gim@lou.lt

                              @mbpaz @gekko3k @bradr I don't think impossible is the right word here. This is Poland's energy mix over 20years (and look at Spain's energy mix around 2020 for comparison).

                              Btw, Poland's goal is not to reach 50%, but to produce the majority of energy from renewable sources.

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                              @gim @gekko3k @bradr Coal usage for electricity generation in Spain is exactly zero now - no coal power stations remain.

                              Roughly 40-50% actual (not installed) generation is wind+solar, depending on the weather, ~15% nuclear, 10-20% hydro.

                              The major remaining polluting source is gas (in combined cycle stations), hard to replace for technical reasons. Also about 1% total energy comes from diesel generators in islands.

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                              • mbpaz@mas.toM mbpaz@mas.to

                                @gim @gekko3k @bradr Coal usage for electricity generation in Spain is exactly zero now - no coal power stations remain.

                                Roughly 40-50% actual (not installed) generation is wind+solar, depending on the weather, ~15% nuclear, 10-20% hydro.

                                The major remaining polluting source is gas (in combined cycle stations), hard to replace for technical reasons. Also about 1% total energy comes from diesel generators in islands.

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                                @mbpaz @gim @gekko3k

                                similar to UK (which decomissioned its last coal electric plant in 2024). Both spain and uk still use coal for heat processes (industrial and residential), but that is also declining.

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                                • francommit@livellosegreto.itF francommit@livellosegreto.it

                                  @bradr The headquarters of the Instituto Cervantes in Utrecht, seized by Spain's debts towards renewables

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                                  Embargada la sede del Instituto Cervantes en Utrecht por deudas

                                  Un tribunal neerlandés autorizó el embargo de la sede del Instituto Cervantes en Utrecht por impagos derivados del recorte a las renovables aprobado por el Gobierno español en 2013.

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                                  @francommit

                                  [for the peanut gallery:] That's part of a big mess, something like €1.5 billion in civil judgements, that Spain is contesting, dating back to the 2011-2013 EU Sovereign Debt Crisis (when Rajoy retroactively canceled the 2007 green energy payment guarantee).

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                                  • mbpaz@mas.toM mbpaz@mas.to

                                    @disorderlyf @xerz @bradr to be honest, it's in large part a coincidence. It takes over 5 years (sometimes much longer) since a wind farm is proposed until it comes online.
                                    Renewables are becoming the main source of electricity simply because of economics. Governments do not need to push renewables: they simply have to avoid punishing them.

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                                    @mbpaz a feat Germany has yet to achieve @disorderlyf @xerz @bradr

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                                      @energisch_ WIR können Politik machen @bradr

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                                      • axomamma@mastodon.onlineA axomamma@mastodon.online

                                        @thegarbagebird I would say so. I could only wish the US were half as fast. I live in Arizona. There is very little solar despite unrelenting sunshine. Every parking lot could have shaded parking that contributes to the grid. Can we do that? In 2026 the answer is still "no."

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                                        @Axomamma what is hindering it? @thegarbagebird

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                                        • pietervdvn@en.osm.townP pietervdvn@en.osm.town

                                          @bradr Great news, but this is _only_ aboute electricity production. Is there a graph with _all_ energy and fossil use? I.e. including motor traffic (which still runs on oil), heavy industries and chemical processes?

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                                          @pietervdvn This was the comment I was about to make. We're doing ourselves a disservice every time there's progress on electricity generation and it is announced as all energy being transitioned from fossil to green. Electricity is the easier task of the two energy challenges - the hard one is fuel @bradr

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