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  3. I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark.

I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark.

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  • adr@mastodon.socialA adr@mastodon.social

    I mean yes, it's mostly Valve and Proton, of course, but when *Linux* runs basically an *emulation layer* on Windows programs and gets them to run *better than native Windows* I would call that some Own Goals all right

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    @adr In some aspects Linux has had an advantage in low level fundamentals just because it's a more performant OS for the things it was designed for. It was always the graphics stack that held it back because everything was designed for Windows.

    For example, when playing with friends online (2012?), I was always the first to load a map because of a better file system and kernel I/O. I just had to disable particle effects and still had worse FPS.

    If graphics is solved, sky is the limit.

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    • adr@mastodon.socialA adr@mastodon.social

      from https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11 ok

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      #15

      @adr TBH, as a Linux user, I don't hate their goals. Competition is good in this space! People should have choices in their OS, and none of them should spy on them, or force AI, or whatever.

      Of course, I have my doubts as to whether MS can pull this off, but hey, here's hoping. Fix your shit and let people be better off.

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      • dvshkn@social.treehouse.systemsD dvshkn@social.treehouse.systems

        @adr Someone, I can't remember who, predicted years back that windows would just become a linux distro. It's wild to think about, but MS does seem like they really do not like maintaining windows anymore. We can all see that it's a chore for them.

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        @dvshkn @adr last time I used Windows regularly was a while back and even then it was heavily via Windows Subsystem for Linux, and new native Windows apps were nearly non-existent.

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        • adr@mastodon.socialA adr@mastodon.social

          I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?

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          @adr Makes you wonder if those game studios will ever have at least a passing thought that, you know, maybe they could use that extra performance budget that a clean OS allows (that gets even larger with native versions) for their own good.

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          • adr@mastodon.socialA adr@mastodon.social

            I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?

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            @adr yes, also has been for quite some time as even "bloated" desktop distros like Ubuntu LTS have way less overhead and thus better performance!

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            • adr@mastodon.socialA adr@mastodon.social

              I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?

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              @adr is the foundational change the ability to disable AI when game are running?

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              • adr@mastodon.socialA adr@mastodon.social

                I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?

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                @adr "[microsoft] believes"

                i feel like this is the same kind of "belief" that llm:s have. in that it doesn't mean anything, it's just something they say.

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                • dvshkn@social.treehouse.systemsD dvshkn@social.treehouse.systems

                  @adr Someone, I can't remember who, predicted years back that windows would just become a linux distro. It's wild to think about, but MS does seem like they really do not like maintaining windows anymore. We can all see that it's a chore for them.

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                  @dvshkn @adr I think it's Eric Raymond https://www.zdnet.com/article/open-sources-eric-raymond-windows-10-will-soon-be-just-an-emulation-layer-on-linux-kernel/

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                  • fichusalon@mas.toF fichusalon@mas.to

                    @dvshkn @adr I think it's Eric Raymond https://www.zdnet.com/article/open-sources-eric-raymond-windows-10-will-soon-be-just-an-emulation-layer-on-linux-kernel/

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                    @fichusalon @adr the timing seems right, it very well may have been him, Mr. GUN/Linux himself

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                    • adr@mastodon.socialA adr@mastodon.social

                      I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?

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                      @adr I mean... 20 years ago i got 50% better fps on Unreal 2k3 under linux than win2k on the same hardware.

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                      • adr@mastodon.socialA adr@mastodon.social

                        I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?

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                        @adr reads like this amazing shitpost https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/114400546731467134

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                        • accela@libretooth.grA accela@libretooth.gr

                          @adr Makes you wonder if those game studios will ever have at least a passing thought that, you know, maybe they could use that extra performance budget that a clean OS allows (that gets even larger with native versions) for their own good.

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                          @accela @adr The problem is that, excluding aesthetic stuff that can be easily scaled up or down, everything else has to work smoothly on every single supported system.

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                          • adr@mastodon.socialA adr@mastodon.social

                            I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?

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                            @adr First it was MacOS becoming the OS of choice for many developers. Now Linux for games. Am I that old??? All the constants…aren’t.

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                            • aburka@hachyderm.ioA aburka@hachyderm.io

                              @adr reads like this amazing shitpost https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/114400546731467134

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                              #27

                              @aburka @adr Yeah I remember that. It seems I even boosted and liked it back then...

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                              • adr@mastodon.socialA adr@mastodon.social

                                I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?

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                                @adr If we play our cards right, and the improvements to Linux's gaming performance keep coming in (particularly on Nvidia's side which is still a bit behind where it should be) then we might actually have a moment where Linux starts being noticed more by mainstream audiences. Like in the last few months the press around Linux has shifted way more positively and seems like newbies are experiencing way less issues than they used to.

                                If that happens, the network effect might kick in and Windows might be seen as the worse option. It's not the first time Microsoft went from first place to dead last by their own stupid own goals.

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                                • adr@mastodon.socialA adr@mastodon.social

                                  I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?

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                                  #29

                                  @adr @avon_deer so they just admitted that Windows sucks.

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                                  • adr@mastodon.socialA adr@mastodon.social

                                    I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?

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                                    #30

                                    @adr to borrow an old question

                                    "Could 2027 be the year of Windows on the desktop?"

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