I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark.
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@adr Someone, I can't remember who, predicted years back that windows would just become a linux distro. It's wild to think about, but MS does seem like they really do not like maintaining windows anymore. We can all see that it's a chore for them.
@dvshkn man they're already there in a lot of ways? I mean does anyone think Azure runs Windows?
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@dvshkn man they're already there in a lot of ways? I mean does anyone think Azure runs Windows?
@adr Yeah, it might've been maybe slightly before they rolled their own distro for azure that I heard that prediction pop up. It must be frustrating working on the NT kernel, which I've heard people say nice things about, and then watch the rest of the company bolt various lovecraftian horrors on to it.
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Young People or people not deep in the weeds on something so goofass as operating system choice may not realize that for EEEEONNNS the one advantage windows had over linux, hands down, was gaming support, and to have that basically float away due to, amongst other things, multiple Own Goals by Microsoft is hi-larious
@adr I have a teenage son who was game to try Linux instead of Windows. We got Linux on there easily enough. But he has some fancy-ass NVidia graphics card, and we couldn’t get it to work well at all. I think NVidia has kneecapped Linux desktop gaming with their shitty support. And one of his most important games, Apex Legends, is famously hostile to Linux and so that was the deal breaker. He went back to Windows. Replacing the graphics card at this moment in history is not very cheap, and that wouldn’t fix Apex.
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@adr I have a teenage son who was game to try Linux instead of Windows. We got Linux on there easily enough. But he has some fancy-ass NVidia graphics card, and we couldn’t get it to work well at all. I think NVidia has kneecapped Linux desktop gaming with their shitty support. And one of his most important games, Apex Legends, is famously hostile to Linux and so that was the deal breaker. He went back to Windows. Replacing the graphics card at this moment in history is not very cheap, and that wouldn’t fix Apex.
@paco yeah, multiplayer is a problem if it implements kernel mode anti-cheat.
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@paco yeah, multiplayer is a problem if it implements kernel mode anti-cheat.
@adr I play Steam games on Debian all the time. Works great. But that damn gaming PC is the one Windows box I have to keep alive.
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I mean yes, it's mostly Valve and Proton, of course, but when *Linux* runs basically an *emulation layer* on Windows programs and gets them to run *better than native Windows* I would call that some Own Goals all right
@adr In some aspects Linux has had an advantage in low level fundamentals just because it's a more performant OS for the things it was designed for. It was always the graphics stack that held it back because everything was designed for Windows.
For example, when playing with friends online (2012?), I was always the first to load a map because of a better file system and kernel I/O. I just had to disable particle effects and still had worse FPS.
If graphics is solved, sky is the limit.
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@adr TBH, as a Linux user, I don't hate their goals. Competition is good in this space! People should have choices in their OS, and none of them should spy on them, or force AI, or whatever.
Of course, I have my doubts as to whether MS can pull this off, but hey, here's hoping. Fix your shit and let people be better off.
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@adr Someone, I can't remember who, predicted years back that windows would just become a linux distro. It's wild to think about, but MS does seem like they really do not like maintaining windows anymore. We can all see that it's a chore for them.
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I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?
@adr Makes you wonder if those game studios will ever have at least a passing thought that, you know, maybe they could use that extra performance budget that a clean OS allows (that gets even larger with native versions) for their own good.
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I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?
@adr yes, also has been for quite some time as even "bloated" desktop distros like Ubuntu LTS have way less overhead and thus better performance!
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I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?
@adr is the foundational change the ability to disable AI when game are running?
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I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?
@adr "[microsoft] believes"
i feel like this is the same kind of "belief" that llm:s have. in that it doesn't mean anything, it's just something they say.
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@adr Someone, I can't remember who, predicted years back that windows would just become a linux distro. It's wild to think about, but MS does seem like they really do not like maintaining windows anymore. We can all see that it's a chore for them.
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@fichusalon @adr the timing seems right, it very well may have been him, Mr. GUN/Linux himself
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I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?
@adr I mean... 20 years ago i got 50% better fps on Unreal 2k3 under linux than win2k on the same hardware.
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I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?
@adr reads like this amazing shitpost https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/114400546731467134
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@adr Makes you wonder if those game studios will ever have at least a passing thought that, you know, maybe they could use that extra performance budget that a clean OS allows (that gets even larger with native versions) for their own good.
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I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?
@adr First it was MacOS becoming the OS of choice for many developers. Now Linux for games. Am I that old??? All the constants…aren’t.
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@adr reads like this amazing shitpost https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/114400546731467134
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I know I've said it before but as a 30+ year Linux user it *still blows my mind* that Linux is now so much the superior OS for *gaming* that Microsoft is using it as an aspirational benchmark. like holy shit, this is real?
@adr If we play our cards right, and the improvements to Linux's gaming performance keep coming in (particularly on Nvidia's side which is still a bit behind where it should be) then we might actually have a moment where Linux starts being noticed more by mainstream audiences. Like in the last few months the press around Linux has shifted way more positively and seems like newbies are experiencing way less issues than they used to.
If that happens, the network effect might kick in and Windows might be seen as the worse option. It's not the first time Microsoft went from first place to dead last by their own stupid own goals.
