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  • migueldeicaza@mastodon.socialM migueldeicaza@mastodon.social

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    liquidparasyte@app.wafrn.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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    @Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social

    Vivaldi was found wanting.
    Firefox was quite a bit better.
    Firefox Focus was basically the same.
    Surprisingly Cromite was the best overall.

    All, for whatever reason, reported the exact gyroscope position.

    My question is why the fuck do browsers even report this data

    officeplant@mastodon.socialO migueldeicaza@mastodon.socialM 2ruth@mastodon.social2 3 Replies Last reply
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    • offbeatmammal@mastodon.socialO offbeatmammal@mastodon.social

      @Sempf @Migueldeicaza it's one thing knowing it, but quite another seeing it unfold in front of you. Experiencing it makes it more visceral

      sempf@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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      @Offbeatmammal @Migueldeicaza This reminds me of showing developers how ineffective browser security controls are against an attacker. The developer knows that the browser is just talking to a backend server and that you can insert yourself between that space but it's very different seeing it.

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      • liquidparasyte@app.wafrn.netL liquidparasyte@app.wafrn.net

        @Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social

        Vivaldi was found wanting.
        Firefox was quite a bit better.
        Firefox Focus was basically the same.
        Surprisingly Cromite was the best overall.

        All, for whatever reason, reported the exact gyroscope position.

        My question is why the fuck do browsers even report this data

        officeplant@mastodon.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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        @liquidparasyte @Migueldeicaza weird but nice to know that iOS and Safari are at least smart enough to block gyroscope and battery by default

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        • sempf@infosec.exchangeS sempf@infosec.exchange

          @Migueldeicaza I know you knew the browser provided all of that before you opened the link. I did too.

          Were you still as freaked out as me, even though you knew it was gonna happen?

          migueldeicaza@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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          @Sempf I really loved the tone, typography and disclosure- such a. Rautiful way of presenting it 🙂

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          • liquidparasyte@app.wafrn.netL liquidparasyte@app.wafrn.net

            @Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social

            Vivaldi was found wanting.
            Firefox was quite a bit better.
            Firefox Focus was basically the same.
            Surprisingly Cromite was the best overall.

            All, for whatever reason, reported the exact gyroscope position.

            My question is why the fuck do browsers even report this data

            migueldeicaza@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #11

            @liquidparasyte not Safari 🙂

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            • migueldeicaza@mastodon.socialM migueldeicaza@mastodon.social

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              endlessmason@hachyderm.ioE This user is from outside of this forum
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              @Migueldeicaza
              > You have not enabled Do Not Track. This is the default. It means either that you chose not to, that you did not know it existed, or that you know it makes no difference. All three possibilities are informative.

              Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

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              • endlessmason@hachyderm.ioE endlessmason@hachyderm.io

                @Migueldeicaza
                > You have not enabled Do Not Track. This is the default. It means either that you chose not to, that you did not know it existed, or that you know it makes no difference. All three possibilities are informative.

                Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

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                @EndlessMason @Migueldeicaza I'm pretty sure all of these statements were dreamed up by an llm

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                • endlessmason@hachyderm.ioE endlessmason@hachyderm.io

                  @Migueldeicaza
                  > You have not enabled Do Not Track. This is the default. It means either that you chose not to, that you did not know it existed, or that you know it makes no difference. All three possibilities are informative.

                  Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

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                  @Migueldeicaza
                  This actually reminds me of support scam and ads for virus checkers from the 90s web.

                  A big fat popup that says "we have copied all the files from your computer
                  <iframe src="file://C:\">" and like... lamo, i guess.

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                  • migueldeicaza@mastodon.socialM migueldeicaza@mastodon.social

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                    @Migueldeicaza AI slop site just learned what basic fingerprinting is

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                    • migueldeicaza@mastodon.socialM migueldeicaza@mastodon.social

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                      @Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social

                      It thinks I'm in london.

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                      • liquidparasyte@app.wafrn.netL liquidparasyte@app.wafrn.net

                        @Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social

                        Vivaldi was found wanting.
                        Firefox was quite a bit better.
                        Firefox Focus was basically the same.
                        Surprisingly Cromite was the best overall.

                        All, for whatever reason, reported the exact gyroscope position.

                        My question is why the fuck do browsers even report this data

                        2ruth@mastodon.social2 This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @liquidparasyte @Migueldeicaza I'm on Firefox, and it got the gyroscope reading completely wrong. It also reported that I was in a town about 150 miles from here, and reckoned I'd touched the screen 612 times whilst scrolling through. Nonetheless, it's an eye opener in many ways

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                        • migueldeicaza@mastodon.socialM migueldeicaza@mastodon.social

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                          @Migueldeicaza it did not identify my browser correctly

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                          • migueldeicaza@mastodon.socialM migueldeicaza@mastodon.social

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                            @Migueldeicaza Is there a way to prevent this?

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                            • migueldeicaza@mastodon.socialM migueldeicaza@mastodon.social

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                              @Migueldeicaza it was off on my location by 600 miles

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                                @Migueldeicaza tried it with tor browser. It does not know about gyro or so..

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                                • migueldeicaza@mastodon.socialM migueldeicaza@mastodon.social

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                                  @Migueldeicaza ehh, a lot of scare tactic language, and not a lot of actual explanations of the potential danger.

                                  like, the "what renders your world" tells me nothing about how this information can actually be weaponized in any way.

                                  or how it can tell what fonts i have. So? it gives no explanation for why this is dangerous (if it even is)

                                  🫤

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                                  • magicalgrrrl@indiepocalypse.socialM magicalgrrrl@indiepocalypse.social

                                    @Migueldeicaza ehh, a lot of scare tactic language, and not a lot of actual explanations of the potential danger.

                                    like, the "what renders your world" tells me nothing about how this information can actually be weaponized in any way.

                                    or how it can tell what fonts i have. So? it gives no explanation for why this is dangerous (if it even is)

                                    🫤

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                                    @magicalgrrrl oh bummer I will try to do better and deliver content that is more suitable for your needs. Thanks for letting me know, I will try to adjust my posts to meet your expectations in the future.

                                    I apologize profusely for not meeting the moment.

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                                    • migueldeicaza@mastodon.socialM migueldeicaza@mastodon.social

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                                      @Migueldeicaza

                                      It's location was 5000miles off. It's time said afternoon when it's morning. Makes me think tor does a pretty good job.

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                                      • magicalgrrrl@indiepocalypse.socialM magicalgrrrl@indiepocalypse.social

                                        @Migueldeicaza ehh, a lot of scare tactic language, and not a lot of actual explanations of the potential danger.

                                        like, the "what renders your world" tells me nothing about how this information can actually be weaponized in any way.

                                        or how it can tell what fonts i have. So? it gives no explanation for why this is dangerous (if it even is)

                                        🫤

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                                        @magicalgrrrl It did explain that.

                                        Each data point alone is not important in itself, no more than any single ridge on the tip of your finger. It is the combination of them all into a whole that makes a unique fingerprint, that strips away your anonymity on the internet.

                                        Once you become a known entity, your dossier can be fleshed out, bought, and sold. The US government has been buying this information, no warrant required. Anyone could.

                                        @Migueldeicaza

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                                        • migueldeicaza@mastodon.socialM migueldeicaza@mastodon.social

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                                          @Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social idk its a nice project but i prefert projects like https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/
                                          because they give you actual tips and tools
                                          https://sinceyouarrived.world/taken just leaves you with a sense of awe and dispair

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