There's a disturbing trend of developers I've known for years now suddenly being unable to discuss even basic aspects of software development.
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@jmeowmeow You're a few steps behind what I'm seeing. I can't even have conversations about how to build a system or implement an idea with some people if they aren't asking Claude what to do. They gave up the small decisions, then the medium ones, and now they can't even think about problems without an LLM prompting *them*. It's like a prion disease carving away bits of their brains until nothing is left.
@headius @jmeowmeow
I immediately get annoyed when I see someone start a reply to a question with "Claude said..."I don't want to know what string of tokens the LLM free associated with the question, I wanted to know what the human I asked thinks.
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There's a disturbing trend of developers I've known for years now suddenly being unable to discuss even basic aspects of software development. They have become so dependent on LLMs, they can't even describe how to design a system anymore. Feels like losing friends to dementia.
There's a disturbing trend of developers I've known for years now suddenly being unable to discuss even basic aspects of modern software development. They have become so calcified and unable to embrace new skills relaying on orthodoxy and conservative software development, they can't even innovate or learn new, more efficient and challenging techniques. Feels like losing friends to dementia.
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@brandonscript @timbray I'd like to see how your workflow is structured.
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@jmeowmeow You're a few steps behind what I'm seeing. I can't even have conversations about how to build a system or implement an idea with some people if they aren't asking Claude what to do. They gave up the small decisions, then the medium ones, and now they can't even think about problems without an LLM prompting *them*. It's like a prion disease carving away bits of their brains until nothing is left.
When I see descriptions like this, a thing which comes to mind is that covid can cause brain damage. As well as LLMs diminishing the incentives to think, they might become more tempting to rely on as cognitive skills deteriorate from repeat infections.
In other words, there might be more than one thing happening.
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There's a disturbing trend of developers I've known for years now suddenly being unable to discuss even basic aspects of software development. They have become so dependent on LLMs, they can't even describe how to design a system anymore. Feels like losing friends to dementia.
@headius so how are programs debugged?
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There's a disturbing trend of developers I've known for years now suddenly being unable to discuss even basic aspects of software development. They have become so dependent on LLMs, they can't even describe how to design a system anymore. Feels like losing friends to dementia.
@headius at work, some coworkers that used be quite good at programming, ended up prompting a lot to know how to code a simple currency exchange logic.
All the necessary data for that task was alrdeady in the programm. No api calls for getting the values of each currency, nor anything like that, was even necessary -
There's a disturbing trend of developers I've known for years now suddenly being unable to discuss even basic aspects of software development. They have become so dependent on LLMs, they can't even describe how to design a system anymore. Feels like losing friends to dementia.
@headius damn that's scary. I'm quite a hater of the whole LLM thing and the deskilling is certainly one of my concerns but I did not believe that some of it would be so immediate, so fast. WTAF
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@brandonscript @timbray I'd like to see a setup where I still do the work of coding and the AI is solely a pairing partner. Delegating the entire process to an LLM including the actual construction removes all of my agency from the process, and delegating small decisions to LLM eventually leads to delegating all of them. If you don't exercise your critical thinking abilities you will lose them. Too many developers are choosing that path.
@headius I had some limited success using an agent in Ask mode with a new to me codebase. It can go read a bunch of files faster than me and can give relatively OK answers to questions like where can I find auth code or what does this big undocumented class do.
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