I guess it was convenient for my mental evolution when leaving the cult that virulent misogynists are always incredibly bigoted about other things.
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@artemis Staring blankly at "raises kids" which is the primary propagation vector for white supremacism.
@dalias
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I think she resents me for expecting her to make her own moral decisions, as if I should know & be understanding of the fact that she doesn't think or decide things for herself.
@artemis
There is A LOT of this out there in the world, and some of the worst ideas coast far too long on it. Momentum through family units is a huge contributor to right wing garbage harming people. -
White supremacy infantalizes women because it makes them easier to control, but ALSO as a defense mechanism.
They want their women to all go "oh, I'm just a little housewife taking care of my family! How could you think I'm racist when I'm just a homemaker who raises kids & bakes bread? I don't decide anything."
Anyway, to give you an idea of the level of garbage I'm talking about, Pete Hegseth belongs to the church denomination I was raised in.
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Anyway, to give you an idea of the level of garbage I'm talking about, Pete Hegseth belongs to the church denomination I was raised in.
@artemis oh jesus.
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White supremacy infantalizes women because it makes them easier to control, but ALSO as a defense mechanism.
They want their women to all go "oh, I'm just a little housewife taking care of my family! How could you think I'm racist when I'm just a homemaker who raises kids & bakes bread? I don't decide anything."
@artemis
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My parents were divorced when I was young. But I had to live with my dad for a year and a half during middle school. He was both an ex-cop and a racist. He didn't talk to me much, but when he did he said racist things to try and casually indoctrinate me into his disgusting beliefs and bias. I was too old and suspicious of him for that to take, fortunately.Here's a thing - I was adopted, and my parents had a 15 year marriage with no kids before I came along.
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Anyway, to give you an idea of the level of garbage I'm talking about, Pete Hegseth belongs to the church denomination I was raised in.
It's so funny: when you are a religious extremist, you don't know that you are a religious extremist. It all just seems normal.
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@artemis
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My parents were divorced when I was young. But I had to live with my dad for a year and a half during middle school. He was both an ex-cop and a racist. He didn't talk to me much, but when he did he said racist things to try and casually indoctrinate me into his disgusting beliefs and bias. I was too old and suspicious of him for that to take, fortunately.Here's a thing - I was adopted, and my parents had a 15 year marriage with no kids before I came along.
@artemis
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So my mom had lived happily with a racist husband for all her adult life, thinking the only thing they were missing was kids. She eventually got divorced, because of her outrage over an infidelity, but being married to a bigot who probably did a great deal of damage to innocent people's lives was not a deal breaker.And I could never forgive her after knowing that.
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Anyway, to give you an idea of the level of garbage I'm talking about, Pete Hegseth belongs to the church denomination I was raised in.
@artemis My friend. I grew this way as well, I feel in my bones your words on this subject. My heart is sad for us, my rage is white fucking hot for us. My love is somewhere in there, bleeding out where it can to help rectify it where I can.
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In my mind, my childhood has this horrible miasma around it of all the bigotry I didn't know I was participating in.
I did not choose it. When I reached adulthood & got out into the world, I chose to say no to all of that shit & learned how to do better.
But it's still so fucking gross to know that my "idyllic" childhood actually involved close contact with some of the most toxic ideologies imaginable. Makes me want to take a shower & try to scrub it all off.
I suddenly seriously appreciate the shit-show my childhood was. I knew very early on how really disgusting and terrible this world still is, even in America, especially within patriarchy. I had to learn to find and create the good in my world.
As an adult I've realized we all have to learn to find and create the good in our world. That didn't make me special. I think I just lucked out on never having to one day *realize* the seriously sickening reality I lived in my past.
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It's so funny: when you are a religious extremist, you don't know that you are a religious extremist. It all just seems normal.
But also, the good news is that these bigoted extremists can't keep everyone trapped, not even when they control the environment someone is in from birth onwards.
Even when children are raised strictly around people who look, believe, & act all exactly alike, all enforcing the same messages of hatred & exclusion—EVEN THEN—some of them will escape.
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But also, the good news is that these bigoted extremists can't keep everyone trapped, not even when they control the environment someone is in from birth onwards.
Even when children are raised strictly around people who look, believe, & act all exactly alike, all enforcing the same messages of hatred & exclusion—EVEN THEN—some of them will escape.
Sure, it helped that my parents were never all-in on the worst expressions of bigotry, but I got the Christian "education" (propaganda), the isolation of being homeschooled, while living in a very, very white town, attending church & religious conferences, & much more.
I topped it off by going to a right-wing Christian college in the South, followed by an equally extreme seminary (by the time I was in seminary, I was already on my way out).
I received the full indoctrination package.
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Sure, it helped that my parents were never all-in on the worst expressions of bigotry, but I got the Christian "education" (propaganda), the isolation of being homeschooled, while living in a very, very white town, attending church & religious conferences, & much more.
I topped it off by going to a right-wing Christian college in the South, followed by an equally extreme seminary (by the time I was in seminary, I was already on my way out).
I received the full indoctrination package.
I received the full indoctrination package, & I left. I can't even count the number of other people I know of who have the same story.
Even when they control people's entire environment, even when they get to be the ones constructing someone's mental world from childhood, even then, people still break free.
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I received the full indoctrination package, & I left. I can't even count the number of other people I know of who have the same story.
Even when they control people's entire environment, even when they get to be the ones constructing someone's mental world from childhood, even then, people still break free.
So that's worth something, I think.
Proponents of hateful, supremacist ideologies desperately strive to control people, but they can't, not even when all the cards are stacked in their favor.
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So that's worth something, I think.
Proponents of hateful, supremacist ideologies desperately strive to control people, but they can't, not even when all the cards are stacked in their favor.
It can be really scary looking at some of these extremist communities & seeing the way they indoctrinate people, but so, so, so many of us have left such spaces & such beliefs & behaviors & so many people will continue to leave.
They would like you to believe that the programming is flawless & there are no cracks in the armor, but that's propaganda too. They leak people constantly. The total control is a lie.
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It can be really scary looking at some of these extremist communities & seeing the way they indoctrinate people, but so, so, so many of us have left such spaces & such beliefs & behaviors & so many people will continue to leave.
They would like you to believe that the programming is flawless & there are no cracks in the armor, but that's propaganda too. They leak people constantly. The total control is a lie.
They lie to each other "if you raise your children this way (God's way), they will always believe exactly as you do."
That is not how human beings work, & my life experience bears that out. I wish a lot more people would fucking get out, but I'm not special here. I am one of many, many people who were raised deep inside this world who then left at the first opportunity we got.
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They lie to each other "if you raise your children this way (God's way), they will always believe exactly as you do."
That is not how human beings work, & my life experience bears that out. I wish a lot more people would fucking get out, but I'm not special here. I am one of many, many people who were raised deep inside this world who then left at the first opportunity we got.
The authoritarians would like to believe—and they would like *you* to believe—that they've got this, that they can program a person as if they're a fucking robot.
That's one of their silly fictions.
Brainwashing, cult tactics, & other forms of manipulation can be extremely powerful, but they will never be all-powerful or foolproof.
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The authoritarians would like to believe—and they would like *you* to believe—that they've got this, that they can program a person as if they're a fucking robot.
That's one of their silly fictions.
Brainwashing, cult tactics, & other forms of manipulation can be extremely powerful, but they will never be all-powerful or foolproof.
@artemis here too
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The authoritarians would like to believe—and they would like *you* to believe—that they've got this, that they can program a person as if they're a fucking robot.
That's one of their silly fictions.
Brainwashing, cult tactics, & other forms of manipulation can be extremely powerful, but they will never be all-powerful or foolproof.
So yeah, one thing to remember is that when the fash brag about how all-powerful they are, how they control people, that is propaganda intended to make them, the in-group, feel reassured & to make us, the out-group, give up.
They will ALWAYS try to tell you they are stronger than they actually are. They lie.
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So yeah, one thing to remember is that when the fash brag about how all-powerful they are, how they control people, that is propaganda intended to make them, the in-group, feel reassured & to make us, the out-group, give up.
They will ALWAYS try to tell you they are stronger than they actually are. They lie.
This is part of why it's important to point out how incompetent and impotent they are, and how badly they fuck everything up. It's hard to be scared of ridiculous losers; being scared of them is their only really effectively scalable weapon.
Every other one is way to minuscule to subdue the United States, incl the military.
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This is part of why it's important to point out how incompetent and impotent they are, and how badly they fuck everything up. It's hard to be scared of ridiculous losers; being scared of them is their only really effectively scalable weapon.
Every other one is way to minuscule to subdue the United States, incl the military.
@johnzajac
Sometimes I think my older brother misinterpreted the line from 1984 about picturing the future as a boot stamping on a human face forever as a prediction rather than propaganda. Sometimes I wonder if a lot of people make the same mistake.
