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  3. first impressions of the Lego smart brick, before I do any actual tearing down: wow, I forgot how good they are at working with plastic.

first impressions of the Lego smart brick, before I do any actual tearing down: wow, I forgot how good they are at working with plastic.

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  • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

    @ftg @ldcd @whitequark surprising but almost not surprising? it's weird but also one of those applications where I bet they had very specific requirements around hardware FPU/DSP capabilities, communications peripherals, power management, and physical size, where meeting them all at the same time required treading more unusual paths. the integrated DC-DC in that chip was probably a major selling point.

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    @gsuberland @ftg @ldcd this specific chip has directionfinding btw. and a "LOG2 accelerator" whatever the fuck that is

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    • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

      @whitequark @ldcd @ftg hah, weird. that's an odd choice of architecture for a keyboard controller, unless it was doing audio or touchpad stuff too I suppose.

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      @gsuberland @ldcd @ftg no it's just the EC. from Microchip

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      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

        @gsuberland @ftg @ldcd this specific chip has directionfinding btw. and a "LOG2 accelerator" whatever the fuck that is

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        @whitequark @gsuberland @ftg from what i understand one of the big selling points of ARC is that they let you add ~whatever instructions you want and they make it relatively easy to use those instructions from C, so that might be whats going on there?

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        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

          @gsuberland @ldcd @ftg no it's just the EC. from Microchip

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          @whitequark @gsuberland @ftg maybe its a rebranded automotive part

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          • ldcd@social.treehouse.systemsL ldcd@social.treehouse.systems

            @whitequark @gsuberland @ftg maybe its a rebranded automotive part

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            @ldcd @gsuberland @ftg when have you last seen an automotive part with an LPC target controller

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            • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

              @gsuberland @ldcd @ftg no it's just the EC. from Microchip

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              @whitequark @gsuberland @ldcd @ftg huh I thought microchip ECs were mostly arm based

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              • ldcd@social.treehouse.systemsL ldcd@social.treehouse.systems

                @whitequark @gsuberland @ftg from what i understand one of the big selling points of ARC is that they let you add ~whatever instructions you want and they make it relatively easy to use those instructions from C, so that might be whats going on there?

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                @ldcd @whitequark @ftg almost certainly a hardware log2 instruction bolted on. I wonder if they're using it for FFT or something.

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                • ftg@mastodon.radioF ftg@mastodon.radio

                  @azonenberg @ldcd @whitequark @gsuberland
                  I'll mention this to a MIPS loving friend who's currently working on a keyboard project.
                  But I think it would have to then be based on something like PIC32.

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                  @ftg @ldcd @whitequark @gsuberland i used to be big on mips. I remember being very disappointed when i discovered BFC00000 was not a valid license plate in my state

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                  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                    @ldcd @gsuberland @ftg when have you last seen an automotive part with an LPC target controller

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                    @whitequark @gsuberland @ftg cursed thought: pentium based ECU

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                    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                      finally done. no shorts and (as far as i can tell under mag) no opens

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                      complete success

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                      • ldcd@social.treehouse.systemsL ldcd@social.treehouse.systems

                        @whitequark @gsuberland @ftg cursed thought: pentium based ECU

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                        @ldcd @whitequark @ftg "why did you crash your car?" "F00F bug, your honour"

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                        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                          complete success

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                          contrary to everything i've seen online, this is a Winbond W25Q16JWBY part (but one person got the closest, they thought it is a W25Q16JVBY. the difference is major: one is 3.3V, the other is 1.8V)

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                          • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                            @ldcd @whitequark @ftg almost certainly a hardware log2 instruction bolted on. I wonder if they're using it for FFT or something.

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                            @gsuberland @ldcd @ftg well yes they call it a log2() accelerator but why

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                            • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                              contrary to everything i've seen online, this is a Winbond W25Q16JWBY part (but one person got the closest, they thought it is a W25Q16JVBY. the difference is major: one is 3.3V, the other is 1.8V)

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                              NotImplementedError: quad enablement SFDPJEDECQuadEnableRequirements.Reg2Bit1_Read35h_Write05h not implemented yet

                              ah yes. i remember why i hate SPI flashes now

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                              • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                NotImplementedError: quad enablement SFDPJEDECQuadEnableRequirements.Reg2Bit1_Read35h_Write05h not implemented yet

                                ah yes. i remember why i hate SPI flashes now

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                                tried using dual mode and the SFDP tells me to transmit half a byte

                                once i dump it this flash is definitely going into the naughty pile (of unit tests in glasgow)

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                                • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                  @gsuberland @ldcd @ftg well yes they call it a log2() accelerator but why

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                                  @whitequark @gsuberland @ldcd @ftg ...are you sure it's not just CLZ?

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                                  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                    @gsuberland @ldcd @ftg well yes they call it a log2() accelerator but why

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                                    @whitequark @ldcd @ftg hmm, seems to be hardware log2p0 and log2p1 intrinsics. weird.

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                                    • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                                      @whitequark @ldcd @ftg hmm, seems to be hardware log2p0 and log2p1 intrinsics. weird.

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                                      @gsuberland @ldcd @ftg what is the p0/p1?

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                                      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                        @gsuberland @ldcd @ftg what is the p0/p1?

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                                        @whitequark @ldcd @ftg log2p0 is plain integer log base 2 (I think with always round down behaviour?) and log2p1 is the same but add 1 after. the latter is used to calculate how many bits are needed to store a given number. I know the latter gets used in some AV compression algorithms, idk about the decompression algorithms though.

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                                        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                          tried using dual mode and the SFDP tells me to transmit half a byte

                                          once i dump it this flash is definitely going into the naughty pile (of unit tests in glasgow)

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                                          here's the flash contents https://upload.whitequark.org/1775953651-lego_brick_00F2MZ_749DF5_W25Q16JWBY.bin

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