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Could you successfully communicate the "This is not a place of honor" long-term nuclear waste warning message using only emoji

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  • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

    @tuban_muzuru can one create a block of 汉字 which substantially communicates the various ideas in the Sandia report warning message but limits itself to characters intelligible to Japanese readers

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    #13

    @mcc

    That's insightful of you to note. These are just a sorta-Chinese-ification by me, thinking out thousands of years, not using any kana, but yeah in Japan by all means.

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    • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

      Could you successfully communicate the "This is not a place of honor" long-term nuclear waste warning message using only emoji

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      #14

      @mcc @futurebird

      I think this would run into the problem with some of the cartoon nuclear waste warning messages:

      What happens if someone reads the emoji backwards?

      Since there is not necessarily an obvious direction - although maybe the arrow emoji would break the ambiguity.

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      • michael_w_busch@mastodon.onlineM michael_w_busch@mastodon.online

        @mcc @futurebird

        I think this would run into the problem with some of the cartoon nuclear waste warning messages:

        What happens if someone reads the emoji backwards?

        Since there is not necessarily an obvious direction - although maybe the arrow emoji would break the ambiguity.

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        #15

        @michael_w_busch @futurebird The best response I've yet got to this question was on bluesky and it solved this specific issue in a clever way https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:aftgnoj446o44oj2vpxey2yg/post/3meajupb6ck2a

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        • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

          Could you successfully communicate the "This is not a place of honor" long-term nuclear waste warning message using only emoji

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          #16

          @mcc Are you asking because it's the only way to accurately communicate with the kind of people who will visit the usurper's presidential museum?

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          • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

            Could you successfully communicate the "This is not a place of honor" long-term nuclear waste warning message using only emoji

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            #17

            @mcc ☢️⬇️🫩🤮🤒🤕😷⬇️☢️

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            • bob@feed.hella.cheapB bob@feed.hella.cheap

              @mcc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Yuk

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              #18

              @bob @mcc thats really smart. danger is easy to communicate

              but the point of “this is not a place of honor” is that it doesnt just communicate danger, but it also dismisses the notion that the danger is ‘cool’

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              • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                Could you successfully communicate the "This is not a place of honor" long-term nuclear waste warning message using only emoji

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                #19

                @mcc ⬆️💩🪰🪱🤢💀

                What better way to keep people away than elicit disgust? Evoking imagery of fecal waste, harbingers of disease and rot, skeletons, and all things nasty might make for a compelling argument to stay away.

                Of course, that is if you're not a follower of Nurgle.

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                • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                  Could you successfully communicate the "This is not a place of honor" long-term nuclear waste warning message using only emoji

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                  #20

                  @mcc
                  People don't even agree on the meaning of emoji now.

                  Classic example, the happy chocolate ice cream emoji.

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                  • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                    Could you successfully communicate the "This is not a place of honor" long-term nuclear waste warning message using only emoji

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                    #21

                    @mcc Emoji read by which OS/browser/platform/etc? We don’t have standardized emoji, so we can’t even reliably communicate the danger now, let alone long term.

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                    • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                      Could you successfully communicate the "This is not a place of honor" long-term nuclear waste warning message using only emoji

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                      #22

                      @mcc 🧎........... 💀😵💀

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                      • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                        Could you successfully communicate the "This is not a place of honor" long-term nuclear waste warning message using only emoji

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                        #23

                        @mcc When I posted this on a chat that does some emoji charades, they didn't hesitate:

                        ☢️☢️☢️☢️
                        ☠️☠️☠️☠️

                        ☢️ ❌ 🟰 🏆 ☢️🟰☠️
                        ☢️ ❌ 🟰 🪙 ☢️🟰☠️
                        ☢️ ❌ 🟰 🥇 ☢️🟰☠️

                        😷〰️〰️🤢〰️〰️💀 ☢️💀〰️〰️🤢〰️〰️😷

                        🚶‍➡️ ➡️ 🤢 ➡️ 💀
                        🏃 💨

                        ☢️☢️☢️☢️
                        ☠️☠️☠️☠️

                        ⏳🧍🛠️🏛️⚱️🔍👘
                        ⏳🧍🛠️💻🚙 🏢
                        ⌛🧍🛠️☢️

                        🧑‍🔬 🛠️ ⚛️ ➡️ ☢️
                        ⚛️ ❌ ⚖️
                        ⚛️ 🔥 ➡️ 🤢 ➡️ 💀

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                        • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                          Could you successfully communicate the "This is not a place of honor" long-term nuclear waste warning message using only emoji

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                          #24

                          @mcc my favorite answer to the "how-to-mark-for-the-future" problem is to just not

                          don't make it special, don't make it noticeable

                          just bury it hundreds of feet underground in the desert

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                          • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                            Could you successfully communicate the "This is not a place of honor" long-term nuclear waste warning message using only emoji

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                            #25

                            @mcc
                            🏚️📜
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                            🏚️🔽🚫🔽🏚️
                            🟫🔽🤮🔽🟫
                            🟫🔽💀🔽🟫
                            🟫⚡☢️⚡🟫

                            🙅
                            ‼️⚒️🔜🤮🔜💀‼️
                            🙅

                            🙂
                            🚶 🏚️
                            🙂

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                            • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                              Could you successfully communicate the "This is not a place of honor" long-term nuclear waste warning message using only emoji

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                              #26

                              So I forgot to come back and link the best response to this I got. It was on Bluesky.

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                              • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                So I forgot to come back and link the best response to this I got. It was on Bluesky.

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                                I really like wirewitchviolet's insight that emoji are a spatial medium. One of the things people struggled with was how you'd know if the reader of your text expects to read "left to right" or "right to left". This proposal circumvents that question

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                                  So I forgot to come back and link the best response to this I got. It was on Bluesky.

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                                  #28

                                  @mcc I hatelove that I could read this without hesitation.

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                                  • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                                    @mcc I hatelove that I could read this without hesitation.

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                                    @mcc at least it didn't turn into loss half way through

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                                    • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                                      @mcc at least it didn't turn into loss half way through

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                                      @gsuberland @mcc now you've got me imagining 1000 years from now when a new civilization knows loss via clay tablet, like Ea-nāṣir's return policy.

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                                        @mcc It's making it very clear to me the difference between abstract and concrete symbols. In 10,000 years, people are pretty likely to recognize

                                        👀💪🤢👇💀⚡😱🏃

                                        but much less likely to know

                                        ⚠️🫡💸☢️

                                        with a few on the borderline

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                                          @mcc It's making it very clear to me the difference between abstract and concrete symbols. In 10,000 years, people are pretty likely to recognize

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                                          but much less likely to know

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                                          with a few on the borderline

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                                          @jrose What is interesting to me about the repeated approach of *combining* symbols is that the reader would have to lose all the symbols at once. Maybe a skull is a good thing in 2000 years, implausibly. But a skull, a down pointing hand, AND a face turning green?

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