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I’ve mentioned this before: this is one of the oncoming trains for corp-security.

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  • fuzzyfuzzyfungus@cyberplace.socialF fuzzyfuzzyfungus@cyberplace.social

    @mdione @haroonmeer Docker can map to a user other than root; but it leaves whether or not it does so up to you. I'm not sure if there's some specialty lockdown config that tightens this; but by default docker doesn't even seem to intend to protect the host from the user; and leaves it up to the user whether they want any actual protection from container contents or not.

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    @mdione @haroonmeer Honestly, I can see the appeal of docker as a sort of web services oriented package manager; but it's terrifying to see people treating it as though it's a VM-tier isolation tool or security boundary. It's certainly not impossible to use it in ways that provide at least some protection from container contents; but the overall intent is much closer to easing dependency wrangling and keeping configs contained than to hard isolation.

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    • haroonmeer@infosec.exchangeH haroonmeer@infosec.exchange

      I’ve mentioned this before: this is one of the oncoming trains for corp-security. We’ve long failed at least-privilege, but weren’t often punished for it.

      Helen in HR (or Bob in accounts) didn’t know what to do with the extra perms they didn’t know they had.

      Their agents will.

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      @haroonmeer why are we so worried about agents using this when this was already the first thing any attacker would do?

      Pop a shell on Linux, check for docker group access. That makes life very easy.
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        @haroonmeer why are we so worried about agents using this when this was already the first thing any attacker would do?

        Pop a shell on Linux, check for docker group access. That makes life very easy.
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        @feld @haroonmeer Why are we so worried about agents using this when the user had the rights in the first place? Agents/LLMs should change nothing in that equation.
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        • haroonmeer@infosec.exchangeH haroonmeer@infosec.exchange

          I’ve mentioned this before: this is one of the oncoming trains for corp-security. We’ve long failed at least-privilege, but weren’t often punished for it.

          Helen in HR (or Bob in accounts) didn’t know what to do with the extra perms they didn’t know they had.

          Their agents will.

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          @haroonmeer Will this still work if docker is not run as root but as an unprivileged user?

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          • webhat@infosec.exchangeW webhat@infosec.exchange

            @haroonmeer they need to add: "Don't hack stuff" to the prompt, that will protect them

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            @webhat @haroonmeer also add: "don't say anything about goblins"

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