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EU states must provide proper ID for transgender citizens

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  • pq1r@tech.lgbtP pq1r@tech.lgbt

    @eunews or, maybe it's time to stop mentioning people's gender on ID documents. Like, completely eliminate it. There's no actual reason for it.

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    #27

    @pq1r there's also no reason to put a name on ID, you know
    Just photo, biometric data, and unique number is enough
    But people really like putting labels on themselves, so why stopping them from doing it?

    Maybe instead we drop unnecessary restrictions, like «you can choose only from M and F» or «you must be diagnosed by multiple doctors to change it» or even «you must get a plastic surgery before changing»

    @eunews

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    • venividistupui@mastodon.worldV venividistupui@mastodon.world

      They really want to help the extreme right into power, uh?

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      #28

      @venividistupui No, they really want to help transgender people exercise their human rights

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      • krans@mastodon.me.ukK krans@mastodon.me.uk

        @venividistupui No, they really want to help transgender people exercise their human rights

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        #29

        There’s no human right to impose on others one’s ideas about whether one can switch between sexes at will on one’s ID card. It’s a political choice that each member state community must be able to make. Imposing this “from Brussels” (actually, Luxembourg) is bound to generate a - rightful- backlash. Did Trump’s election not teach anything?

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        • venividistupui@mastodon.worldV venividistupui@mastodon.world

          They really want to help the extreme right into power, uh?

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          @venividistupui@mastodon.world @eunews@mastodon.social

          You must be really lost in the sauce if you think providing basic human rights to minorities helps the extreme right... What
          you're doing, restricting minorities' rights, is actually doing what the extreme right wants to do, so from a trans perspective, what exactly is the difference between you and the extreme right?

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          • krans@mastodon.me.ukK krans@mastodon.me.uk

            @venividistupui No, they really want to help transgender people exercise their human rights

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            #31

            @krans @venividistupui This guy seems to subscribe to the idea that the best way to fight the far right is to give them what they want.

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            • pq1r@tech.lgbtP pq1r@tech.lgbt

              @eunews or, maybe it's time to stop mentioning people's gender on ID documents. Like, completely eliminate it. There's no actual reason for it.

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              @pq1r@tech.lgbt @eunews@mastodon.social

              The thing is that the presence of ones gender on ones identification documents is something that is mandated by
              global consensus... So making sure that at least reflects people's lived identities is a lot easier to do than completely omitting it. And even that is proving quite hard to do, actually...

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              • mxalba@blahaj.zoneM mxalba@blahaj.zone

                @venividistupui@mastodon.world @eunews@mastodon.social

                You must be really lost in the sauce if you think providing basic human rights to minorities helps the extreme right... What
                you're doing, restricting minorities' rights, is actually doing what the extreme right wants to do, so from a trans perspective, what exactly is the difference between you and the extreme right?

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                #33

                Well, if you think that everyone has a human right to force everyone else to believe whatever idiocy one has in mind, I cannot help you. Everybody has a human right not to be harassed and subjected to any form of hate. But official recognition by society of whatever foolish belief one has (such as being able to turn into a squirrel, or to change sex)? Cut me a break.

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                • m000gletje@app.wafrn.netM m000gletje@app.wafrn.net

                  i'm not taking bullshit from anyone who wants to take away what i fought for

                  including trans people themselves, you're not my comrades!!! fucking look how your kind treats fellow trans men or people who actually get to medically transition, just because we share a struggle doesn't make me your friend

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                  #34
                  @m000gletje @ProphetsCross @eunews @pq1r if you think having your gender marker changed on your ID is a good thing, look at what is happening in the US. people with gender markers changed are having their IDs revoked, removing their access to voting, driving, and travelling outside the country. What it essentially amounts to is the government having a list of all trans people is a bad thing.
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                  • m000gletje@app.wafrn.netM m000gletje@app.wafrn.net

                    i don't fucking feel sympathy for a trans person just bc theyre trans, yall hurt me so much to the point i frankly don't believe anymore in solidarity - it's kill or be killed

                    the point at which it becomes cowardice is when you push your "i dont want to put effort" onto everyone else - i'm all for personal choices but they do come with consequences

                    everyone only addresses "but then what about the enbies/we need to move beyond the binary"- we dont got shit to move when yall still treat binary trans people like shit for transitioning and the fact they aren't genderfucky

                    i lived in a country where transition legally doesn't exist, my environment never heard of transness aside from some vague stereotypes about trans women, my parents were outright hostile. i had nowhere to go

                    but i didn't stick into my 20s with the mentality of "if i can't have it, no one can" - at some point you gotta fucking take fate into your hands and do something.

                    again y'all are taking my hard fought gender off my cold hands and over my fucking dead body. i don't owe the rotten transphobes nor main-character-syndrome queers anything

                    i am sick of justifying my fight and existence to your and their kind alike

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                    #35

                    i know this is easier said than done, but for the most part all the trauma has kinda made me hate most people and i don’t feel the need to justify myself to most people. i know who i am and if they don’t believe me that’s not my problem. if they don’t respect me, that’s not my problem.

                    now if they try and kill me, we have a problem.


                    #and-that’s-how-i-developed-a-prepper-mentality-🥳 #even-if-people-call-it-“paranoid”
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                    • venividistupui@mastodon.worldV venividistupui@mastodon.world

                      Well, if you think that everyone has a human right to force everyone else to believe whatever idiocy one has in mind, I cannot help you. Everybody has a human right not to be harassed and subjected to any form of hate. But official recognition by society of whatever foolish belief one has (such as being able to turn into a squirrel, or to change sex)? Cut me a break.

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                      #36

                      @venividistupui@mastodon.world

                      Please take your bigotry back to X. This is the Fediverse where asshole like you aren't welcome.

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