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This is super good for open source, right?

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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    RE: https://mastodon.social/@bagder/116216352260770844

    This is super good for open source, right?

    Now you can spend your time building something and Amazon or Microsoft can just take it without having to give anything back.

    (I think this is satire but how long do you think it takes for this shit to actually happen?)

    jzb@hachyderm.ioJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    @tante For the love of Cats I hope it's satire. Good lord. Seems to have sprung from this:

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    FOSDEM 2026 - Let's end open source together with this one simple trick

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    (fosdem.org)

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    • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

      @tante For the love of Cats I hope it's satire. Good lord. Seems to have sprung from this:

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      FOSDEM 2026 - Let's end open source together with this one simple trick

      favicon

      (fosdem.org)

      hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH This user is from outside of this forum
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      @jzb @tante if it's a joke it seems rather like a rape joke to me

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        RE: https://mastodon.social/@bagder/116216352260770844

        This is super good for open source, right?

        Now you can spend your time building something and Amazon or Microsoft can just take it without having to give anything back.

        (I think this is satire but how long do you think it takes for this shit to actually happen?)

        J This user is from outside of this forum
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        jmj@hachyderm.io
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        @tante @bagder but now you can just copy/reuse their clean room implementation because it not copyrightable.

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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          RE: https://mastodon.social/@bagder/116216352260770844

          This is super good for open source, right?

          Now you can spend your time building something and Amazon or Microsoft can just take it without having to give anything back.

          (I think this is satire but how long do you think it takes for this shit to actually happen?)

          crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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          crazyeddie@mastodon.social
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          @tante I was just reading not 2 weeks ago about a project that was completely rewritten and relicensed MIT or some shit. Like literally looking at the github repo.

          So it's happened. Just not at scale yet.

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          • nihkeys@mastodontti.fiN nihkeys@mastodontti.fi

            @tante Says something about the times that we live in that it took me way too long to decide on whether this was satire or not.

            crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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            @nihkeys @tante We've known the Poe effect for decades now.

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            • djgummikuh@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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              #14

              @crazyeddie ? @tante

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                RE: https://mastodon.social/@bagder/116216352260770844

                This is super good for open source, right?

                Now you can spend your time building something and Amazon or Microsoft can just take it without having to give anything back.

                (I think this is satire but how long do you think it takes for this shit to actually happen?)

                8r3n7@mstdn.ca8 This user is from outside of this forum
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                @tante Isn’t this just a fancy form of find-and-replace? You look for the license you don’t like, and you replace it with another one? You run the code through an obfuscator, which changes all the identifiers?

                What I mean is, who says this isn’t happening already? OK, so this is an attempt to *normalize* it and accelerate. But if you can reverse engineer proprietary code, and use that as training data, or just do it the tedious way, who’s to stop you, and who can tell the difference?

                I don’t know if these masters of the universe have considered all the legal and business implications of this wider project to destroy copyright, quite apart from the technicals.

                I suppose they believe it’s a race. They are faster, thus guaranteed to win. No one else could possibly represent a competitive threat. What if they’re right? (One pictures hares and tortoises, but it’s hard to know when that fable is an appropriate metaphor.)

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                • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                  @tante I was just reading not 2 weeks ago about a project that was completely rewritten and relicensed MIT or some shit. Like literally looking at the github repo.

                  So it's happened. Just not at scale yet.

                  ohno@ap.dny.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @tante @crazyeddie Yeap, this went down with chardet. Cat’s out of the bag. Now it’s just a matter for someone to “at scale” it.

                  There is a nice analysis of that debacle on https://writings.hongminhee.org/2026/03/legal-vs-legitimate/.

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    RE: https://mastodon.social/@bagder/116216352260770844

                    This is super good for open source, right?

                    Now you can spend your time building something and Amazon or Microsoft can just take it without having to give anything back.

                    (I think this is satire but how long do you think it takes for this shit to actually happen?)

                    hopeless@mas.toH This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @tante I am not sure how much you have been paying attention, but the large tech companies gorge themselves on liberally licensed FOSS and very seldom does any money make its way back to the authors.

                    This has always been the case and no AI needed.

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                    • 8r3n7@mstdn.ca8 8r3n7@mstdn.ca

                      @tante Isn’t this just a fancy form of find-and-replace? You look for the license you don’t like, and you replace it with another one? You run the code through an obfuscator, which changes all the identifiers?

                      What I mean is, who says this isn’t happening already? OK, so this is an attempt to *normalize* it and accelerate. But if you can reverse engineer proprietary code, and use that as training data, or just do it the tedious way, who’s to stop you, and who can tell the difference?

                      I don’t know if these masters of the universe have considered all the legal and business implications of this wider project to destroy copyright, quite apart from the technicals.

                      I suppose they believe it’s a race. They are faster, thus guaranteed to win. No one else could possibly represent a competitive threat. What if they’re right? (One pictures hares and tortoises, but it’s hard to know when that fable is an appropriate metaphor.)

                      nf3xn@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #18

                      @8r3n7 @tante Indeed using an AI would be an order of magnitude worse since you would also have to worry about the AI "helpfully" refactoring your code or just dropping large chunks of it, whereas your obfuscator is fairly deterministic.

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                      • hopeless@mas.toH hopeless@mas.to

                        @tante I am not sure how much you have been paying attention, but the large tech companies gorge themselves on liberally licensed FOSS and very seldom does any money make its way back to the authors.

                        This has always been the case and no AI needed.

                        negativek@infosec.exchangeN This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @hopeless @tante Google has a public policy (with FUD) banning AGPL licensed code. Now they can just BS their way around that.

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