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I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

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  • impossible_phd@hachyderm.ioI impossible_phd@hachyderm.io

    I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

    Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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    @Impossible_PhD
    I left Florida! Now in Arizona, but it's not safe either. Probably going to Pennsylvania in a few months.

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    • sophiesometimes@anarres.familyS sophiesometimes@anarres.family

      @GoldenRetrieverGF @thatfrisiangirlish @screwturn @Impossible_PhD

      This is probably a really difficult (impossible?) study to do because it would involve Americans now living all over the world, but I would be curious as to what the “already left the country" numbers are. I also am one of those.

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      @sophiesometimes@anarres.family

      I would also be interested in this information but I believe the US government does not make it readily available as it would thwart the American Dream argument. At least I think that's what I've heard. You'd need to look at each countries immigration stats and compare that to past years personally. I don't know if it's accurate but the recent stats I heard here in Germany is US immigration has increased some absurd number like 4000% over last year. if anyone has better access to those numbers I welcome correction.

      I personally fled as soon as the borders opened after Covid Quarantine. Because I left the country too.

      @thatfrisiangirlish @Impossible_PhD@hachyderm.io @screwturn@mastodon.social

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      • impossible_phd@hachyderm.ioI impossible_phd@hachyderm.io

        I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

        Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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        @Impossible_PhD I know so many trans people who've recently fled to Seattle from Texas, Florida, etc. The ones who first moved had connections, jobs, housing to land in, money. But I'm seeing more and more who don't know a soul, don't have networks, don't have money or jobs or housing, and capitalism and our high cost of living is a different kind of disaster when they get here.
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        • impossible_phd@hachyderm.ioI impossible_phd@hachyderm.io

          Really sit with that for a moment.

          The only comparable historical mass-movement like it is The Great Migration, in which about 40% of the Black population of America moved north, to safer states.

          Over a period of *sixty years*.

          And the trans population isn't as concentrated as the Black population was.

          According to the 2022 USTS, about 60ish percent of trans Americans lived somewhere in the American south. That means that about 3.3 million trans Americans lived in those high-danger states, of which 400,000 moved.

          That's over 12% of the trans population of the region.

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          @Impossible_PhD I see 41% of respondents in the South for USTS 2022. Are you looking at a different set of states?

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          • eruonna@chaosfem.twE eruonna@chaosfem.tw

            @Impossible_PhD I see 41% of respondents in the South for USTS 2022. Are you looking at a different set of states?

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            @eruonna "The South" isn't all the south--its the Civil War South, so it's not inclusive of, like, TX, OK, NV, and a bunch of other states that are high risk. I added The South and the American Non-Pacific Southwest together to try and be a little more accurate.

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            • impossible_phd@hachyderm.ioI impossible_phd@hachyderm.io

              @eruonna "The South" isn't all the south--its the Civil War South, so it's not inclusive of, like, TX, OK, NV, and a bunch of other states that are high risk. I added The South and the American Non-Pacific Southwest together to try and be a little more accurate.

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              @Impossible_PhD okay. I think they are using the census South, which does include Texas, but also is only about 40% of the US population. If that included 60% of the trans people, that would be quite surprising

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              • impossible_phd@hachyderm.ioI impossible_phd@hachyderm.io

                It's more than that, though.

                According to research from *a year ago*, almost half of all trans people are considering moving for their safety. Remember that 60ish% of all trans people live in the south.

                So, let's do a little napkin math here.

                If 50 percentage points of a population that constitutes 60 percentage points wants to move, that means that 83% of the people in those states want to move, give or take.

                Now, that number isn't quite good. On one hand, we'll have folks in, say, Wisconsin who want to skip town to Minnesota in there. On the other, Colorado is in the regions I'm talking about, and not many trans folks are leaving there, and for pretty good reason.

                So, the real percentage needs to be lower, to account for dangerous states outside of the south, but what that is? Impossible to know.

                But the point here is deeply disturbing: if even half of that percentage actually act, it would, percentage-point-wise, be a migration equal to that if The Great Migration.

                And there's absolutely no way to slice this that's not horrifying.

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                Nearly half of transgender people surveyed have moved or are considering moving to more trans-affirming places

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                @Impossible_PhD Hopefully future studies try to gauge the distance (i.e. miles) and typical migration patterns of these moves. I'm thinking of how a lot of studies of climate change related internal movement often show that people typically move to the nearest perceived safe location, and the Great Migration itself had a lot of "typical" migration routes (e.g., I seem to recall that the Black migrants to Chicago and New York typically came from different parts of the South).

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                • talvayas@mastodon.socialT talvayas@mastodon.social

                  @Impossible_PhD
                  I left Florida! Now in Arizona, but it's not safe either. Probably going to Pennsylvania in a few months.

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                  @talvayas @Impossible_PhD Pennsylvania is safe-ish, for now, but the lower house of the legislature has a 1-seat Dem majority and the upper house managed to block critical funding for public transit that nearly crippled the entire state in a blatant attempt to hurt minorities, so be careful here. We also have two Republicans in the Senate, even if one is cosplaying as a Dem for the lols (Fetterman).

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                  • thatfrisiangirlish@blahaj.zoneT thatfrisiangirlish@blahaj.zone

                    @screwturn@mastodon.social I've got someone from Colorado sitting on the couch beside me who thought, moving in the US only gets me more US, and fled on a cook's pay and ridiculous overtime to Germany in 2021, because she wasn't about to wait out the shitshow that was about to come. @Impossible_PhD@hachyderm.io

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                    @thatfrisiangirlish @screwturn @Impossible_PhD We left in 2017 for the same reasons. I regret only not being able to drag vulnerable friends with us.

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                    • impossible_phd@hachyderm.ioI impossible_phd@hachyderm.io

                      I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                      Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                      @Impossible_PhD Alt text: impact
                      Over 400,000 transgender people have fled their home states for safer ones since the 2024 election
                      1/8
                      This marks one of the largest domestic relocations in modern U.S. history.

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                      • impossible_phd@hachyderm.ioI impossible_phd@hachyderm.io

                        I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                        Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                        Year

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                        @Impossible_PhD forcing specific groups of people to move away under threat... that's one of the definitions of genocide, isn't it

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                        • impossible_phd@hachyderm.ioI impossible_phd@hachyderm.io

                          I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                          Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                          @Impossible_PhD ⬆️ happy to offer a below market rent for a concerned party who wants to take over my apartment in nyc

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                          • impossible_phd@hachyderm.ioI impossible_phd@hachyderm.io

                            I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                            Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                            @Impossible_PhD US law and policies against trans people do qualify as Genocide under Geneva Convention's definition. Sadly it is neither the first nor the last one happening under US auspice. Having some of our worst leaders pinning after US right wing drift and post-democracy decline is one of the things that steals the peace from my sleep

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                            • impossible_phd@hachyderm.ioI impossible_phd@hachyderm.io

                              @eruonna "The South" isn't all the south--its the Civil War South, so it's not inclusive of, like, TX, OK, NV, and a bunch of other states that are high risk. I added The South and the American Non-Pacific Southwest together to try and be a little more accurate.

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                              @Impossible_PhD @eruonna

                              Net migration from Texas alone would be staggering, I think. (Edited to add: Because it's big, highly populated, and one of the worst states for trans rights and getting worse FAST)

                              I'm one of them. And I know several more trans folks that left before me, several that left after me, and several more planning to move within the next year.

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                              • impossible_phd@hachyderm.ioI impossible_phd@hachyderm.io

                                I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                                Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                                @Impossible_PhD #Alt4You image description (you may be able to update your post to make it more accessible): "Over 400,000 transgender people have fled their home states for safer ones since the 2024 election

                                This marks one of the largest domestic relocations in modern U.S. history."

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                                • impossible_phd@hachyderm.ioI impossible_phd@hachyderm.io

                                  I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                                  Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                                  @Impossible_PhD Where does this number come from? Could you please provide a source? (I've read the article linked further in the thread but the survey data seems to be older)

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                                  • impossible_phd@hachyderm.ioI impossible_phd@hachyderm.io

                                    I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                                    Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                                    @Impossible_PhD

                                    That list keeps growing. I might be moving within a month or two after I started pursuing the most awesome opportunity last week and it is getting real 🥰

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                                    • lilo@muenster.imL lilo@muenster.im

                                      @Impossible_PhD Where does this number come from? Could you please provide a source? (I've read the article linked further in the thread but the survey data seems to be older)

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                                      @lilo Which number? The USTS is easily googlable, and the 400,000 number broke a few days ago, so that's easily googlable too.

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                                      • impossible_phd@hachyderm.ioI impossible_phd@hachyderm.io

                                        I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                                        Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                                        @Impossible_PhD raises hand partner and I moved from "purple state" to "blue state" December 2024...

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                                        • impossible_phd@hachyderm.ioI impossible_phd@hachyderm.io

                                          @lilo Which number? The USTS is easily googlable, and the 400,000 number broke a few days ago, so that's easily googlable too.

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                                          @Impossible_PhD I mean a source for the statement "Over 400,000 transgender people have fled their home states for safer ones since the 2024 election". Found it now, for other readers: https://www.mapresearch.org/2025-norc-survey-report

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