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New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

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  • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD This user is from outside of this forum
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    New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
    https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

    drjlecter@beige.partyD poslovitch@wikis.worldP vitordematos@floss.socialV cloudskater@bark.lgbtC bigshellevent@toot.catB 20 Replies Last reply
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    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

      New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
      https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

      drjlecter@beige.partyD This user is from outside of this forum
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      @davidrevoy absolutely love that drawing. Fuck those AI slop machines.

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      • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

        New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
        https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

        poslovitch@wikis.worldP This user is from outside of this forum
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        @davidrevoy After the Firefox-fighting-the-huge-Chrome-flying-ball, this is going to be my new wallpaper!

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        • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

          New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
          https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

          vitordematos@floss.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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          Caroooooooot! Vai-te a eles!! Nem são inteligentes nem são artificiais! São parte de um plano concertado e programado de "merdificação" para nos retirar poder e nos controlar! @davidrevoy

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          • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

            New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
            https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

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            @davidrevoy I really appreciate you making your stances on "generative" AI clear and being so loud and proud about it. You really inspire me, David, in that regard especially. With the news about Lutris (a game launcher I used up until this week) beginning to use and intentionally obfuscate "generated" code, as well as becoming aware of some Linux kernel devs rubbing shoulders with AI slop themselves, this puts a smile on my face.

            @mrmasterkeyboard I think you might like this :3

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            • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

              New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
              https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

              bigshellevent@toot.catB This user is from outside of this forum
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              @davidrevoy carrot go get 'em

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              • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
                https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

                khrys@mamot.frK This user is from outside of this forum
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                @davidrevoy Thanks 🙏

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                • poslovitch@wikis.worldP poslovitch@wikis.world

                  @davidrevoy After the Firefox-fighting-the-huge-Chrome-flying-ball, this is going to be my new wallpaper!

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                  @Poslovitch@wikis.world @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org I need to see that wallpaper!!

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                  • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                    New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
                    https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

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                    @davidrevoy

                    David, I thought you were really cool. But it turns out you're not really against Gen AI after all.

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                    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                      New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
                      https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

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                      @davidrevoy ça me fait trop penser à Kaonashi dans Spirited away. Ce personnage est d'ailleurs une belle image des LLM actuels, qui bouffent tout et tout le monde mais fascinent tant.

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                      • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                        New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
                        https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

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                        @davidrevoy I like the approach of addressing it in the CoC, since the problem is fundamentally a human behavioral problem of misrepresentation, deception, time-wasting, etc.

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                        • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                          @davidrevoy I like the approach of addressing it in the CoC, since the problem is fundamentally a human behavioral problem of misrepresentation, deception, time-wasting, etc.

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                          @dalias @davidrevoy it is also mostly ethical and social, rather than technical

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                          • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                            New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
                            https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

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                            @davidrevoy

                            The cat’s face is purrfect

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                            • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                              New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
                              https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

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                              @davidrevoy Good text, good illustration. Keep up the good fight!

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                              • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
                                https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

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                                @davidrevoy that's not what an angry ready-to-attack cat looks like at all, but I like the concept.

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                                • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                  New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
                                  https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

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                                  @davidrevoy "Rage Against the Slop Machines"

                                  Nice! 💫

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                                  • kimcrawley@zeroes.caK kimcrawley@zeroes.ca

                                    @davidrevoy

                                    David, I thought you were really cool. But it turns out you're not really against Gen AI after all.

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                                    @kimcrawley It starts by a clear "no" , right? It also says i disapprove it, but it has a nuance for the computer science and FLOSS projects who use the technics (not with any proprietary AI of course, crawled on data without consent), with just their in-house models trained on small in house ethical datasets, for statistic, scientific research or image algorythm (eg. Filters, Sharpenîng, img search local). Sorry for not being in absolute purity and have a nuance. I' m like that on many topics.

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                                    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                      @kimcrawley It starts by a clear "no" , right? It also says i disapprove it, but it has a nuance for the computer science and FLOSS projects who use the technics (not with any proprietary AI of course, crawled on data without consent), with just their in-house models trained on small in house ethical datasets, for statistic, scientific research or image algorythm (eg. Filters, Sharpenîng, img search local). Sorry for not being in absolute purity and have a nuance. I' m like that on many topics.

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                                      Having an actual nuanced thought on a topic? How dare you.

                                      People are the problem, as with any tool. I can't believe we live in a world where obviously bad people get to do obviously bad things with no repercussions, but here we are.
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                                      • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                        New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
                                        https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

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                                        @davidrevoy I'm very frustrated and concerned about AI – not because it will "take over the world" or some conspiracy like that, but because it's going down the same path as blockchain and other technologies regarding cryptocurrency, tokens, etc.

                                        It's a good and interesting technology, but the problem is that it's used as a marketing term and for all kinds of "bullsh*" which ruins the reputation of the technology as a whole and burns everyone in the process.

                                        (The Em dash is not there because I used AI, but because I'm trying uncommon and almost "dead" but useful text elements like the semi-cologne ; for example, while keeping things language accurate)

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                                        • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                          @kimcrawley It starts by a clear "no" , right? It also says i disapprove it, but it has a nuance for the computer science and FLOSS projects who use the technics (not with any proprietary AI of course, crawled on data without consent), with just their in-house models trained on small in house ethical datasets, for statistic, scientific research or image algorythm (eg. Filters, Sharpenîng, img search local). Sorry for not being in absolute purity and have a nuance. I' m like that on many topics.

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                                          @davidrevoy

                                          There's absolutely no such thing as ethical Gen AI. I'm not talking about types of machine learning that existed before 2022. That's not Gen AI. I'm talking about *generative* "AI."

                                          And there's no such thing as "ethical" Gen AI, nor "it'll get better in the future!" Even your "what if it's just local, on device!" is a bullshit excuse.

                                          Gen AI is inherently fascist.

                                          Gen AI is inherently brainwashing and mindwarping.

                                          The massive environmental destruction and training off off massive amounts of people's creations without permission isn't the only problem with Gen AI.

                                          And I'm sick and fucking tired of people's obsession with finding "nuance" in inherently evil shit. Take a strong stance against evil, or be a coward.

                                          If only you had the moral courage of Anthony Moser, rather than the cowardice of a tech bro.

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