I'm one of those audiophiles who go on about speaker settings and placement, cables and DACs to play all my vinyl and high bitrate music, and force people listen to 'my incredible setup'.
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@fesshole Are there any audiophiles, literally any at all, who actually like music?
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@KormaChameleon Hah! Yes.
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@pheedbackPhil @fesshole
I built an edit facility in the late 90s and the head of audio chose TB1s for all the edit suites and it was the first time I’d heard speakers that sounded as neutral as Roger’s LS3/5s (I trained and worked at the Beeb late eighties/early-nineties) - heaven save us from Yamaha NS10s!@IsItBroke Ah you were there same time as me - 1987 onwards working with Rupert B and the like! Agree re TB1s they have superb stereo imaging especially on speech!
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@CppGuy @IsItBroke @fesshole A good sound engineer will have the skills to identify many problems in a recording that an untrained person might not notice. Differences between speaker cables is not one of these. All that matters there is that the resistance is low enough, and any moderately fat cable will do the job.
@mansr @CppGuy @IsItBroke @fesshole
Exactly. Speaker placement, room furnishings and acoustics, and many other things are far more important for overall sound quality. -
I'm one of those audiophiles who go on about speaker settings and placement, cables and DACs to play all my vinyl and high bitrate music, and force people listen to 'my incredible setup'. Turns out I've had my left/right speakers the wrong way round. For 7 years.
I'm guessing that he doesn't mean that he had the left and right speakers reversed. I'm thinking more he had the polarities reversed on his speakers. Which is even funnier.
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@fesshole
When I worked in engineering at the Beeb the research department wanted to discover if the “golden ears” (mix engineers, sound supervisors etc - people who are trained to hear audio problems in recordings) could tell the difference between expensive OFC speaker cable and 10A mains cable. Turns out when tested blind they can’t.
It’s the same for most audio-fool products; when they don’t *know* what they’re listening to they can’t tell.@IsItBroke
Can I ask a question? What do audio engineers do about age-related hearing drop-out? Almost everyone starts losing high frequencies in their early thirties. What happens then? Does it matter at all? -
I'm guessing that he doesn't mean that he had the left and right speakers reversed. I'm thinking more he had the polarities reversed on his speakers. Which is even funnier.
@angiebaby @fesshole I presumed they meant they had the left audio channel going to the speaker on their right, and the right audio channel going to the speaker on their left.
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@angiebaby @fesshole I presumed they meant they had the left audio channel going to the speaker on their right, and the right audio channel going to the speaker on their left.
Calling himself an "audiophile", I suspect he probably owns a stereo-test-and-demonstration CD and he would have caught it right away if it was a matter of the speakers being wired right-to-left. Reversing the (- +) polarity on the pairs of wires for each speaker would cause phasing problems at best, and possible long-term speaker damage at worst.
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Yeah. Some things make a real difference, but, with speaker cable, IMHO, good enough is good enough.
Oh but you need the little stands to keep the cable off the floor. /S
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I'm one of those audiophiles who go on about speaker settings and placement, cables and DACs to play all my vinyl and high bitrate music, and force people listen to 'my incredible setup'. Turns out I've had my left/right speakers the wrong way round. For 7 years.
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Ehhh, polaritys the only thing that really matters, if its flipped you might not notice unless its supposed to match the music video or smth -
@IsItBroke
Can I ask a question? What do audio engineers do about age-related hearing drop-out? Almost everyone starts losing high frequencies in their early thirties. What happens then? Does it matter at all?@beng @IsItBroke They move on to a lucrative career in America editing sound for late night infomercials.
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@fesshole Can't be much of an "audiophile", can ya?
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I'm guessing that he doesn't mean that he had the left and right speakers reversed. I'm thinking more he had the polarities reversed on his speakers. Which is even funnier.
@angiebaby @fesshole why not both ?
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@IsItBroke
Can I ask a question? What do audio engineers do about age-related hearing drop-out? Almost everyone starts losing high frequencies in their early thirties. What happens then? Does it matter at all?@beng
You’re right; the audio course I teach involves me playing a sweep 20hz - 20Khz and asking the attendees to lower a hand when they stop hearing it - I’m down at 12Khz now (could hear all the way >20Khz as a young man).
There is some self-adjustment; people just get used to how things now sound and some of the most respected mastering engineers are middle-aged men (Bob Clearmountain is old!) but as I sometime say “AM sounds like HiFi to me now!” -
I'm one of those audiophiles who go on about speaker settings and placement, cables and DACs to play all my vinyl and high bitrate music, and force people listen to 'my incredible setup'. Turns out I've had my left/right speakers the wrong way round. For 7 years.
@fesshole you audiophilistine.
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@IsItBroke @mansr @CppGuy @fesshole
Of course it technically makes a difference. But as your hearing ends at 20khz, assuming you have a ton of ringing on the cable (say 9 meaningful reflections), that *still* wouldn't do anything until a cable length of a full kilometer. Which you really shouldn't have between your amp and your speakers, for obvious reasons.
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@LevelUp @fesshole Obviously with test tracks that clearly indicate the channels you'll easily notice. With actual music, even when there is a clear difference between the channels, you typically have no way of knowing which way it was meant to be. It won't sound wrong with the channels flipped unless you know what to expect.
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@PipGowenlock @LevelUp @fesshole Yes, very clear channel separation, but flipping it doesn't make it sound wrong if you've only heard it that way.
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