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I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

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  • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

    I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

    #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

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    #38

    @Natasha_Jay it is unbelievable how some people can come up with such business ideas!
    1. Buy one pricey GPU
    2. Establish "polling company" entity
    3. Collect orders, run simulations, earn bucks

    🤣

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    • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

      @Natasha_Jay

      On the surface, I can see why people would understand the idea behind this, and it wouldn’t be completely nonsense if the training data for LLMs were representative. But there are so many reasons why their axiom is flawed.

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      nothacking@infosec.exchange
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      @david_chisnall @Natasha_Jay@tech.lgbt

      ... and LLMs are intentionally skewed to be "helpful" and not praise Hitler.

      It turns out the average internet comment is rather nasty and people don't want that. The average internet user is probobly quite a bit better, but LLMs are trained on text, not people.
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      • knutson_brain@sfba.socialK knutson_brain@sfba.social

        @Natasha_Jay
        “…no people were involved in the creation of these opinions…” 🤦‍♂️

        doctormo@floss.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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        #40

        @knutson_brain @Natasha_Jay

        That's got to be a book title in the future, right?

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        • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

          I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

          #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

          ghostrunner@hachyderm.ioG This user is from outside of this forum
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          #41

          @Natasha_Jay this DESPITE the foundational study's Conclusion that it is inaccurate.

          https://openaccess-api.cms-conferences.org/articles/download/978-1-964867-73-1_45

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          • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

            I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

            #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

            nilz@norden.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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            #42

            @Natasha_Jay

            Is this SIMULACRON-3 ??

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            • doctormo@floss.socialD doctormo@floss.social

              @knutson_brain @Natasha_Jay

              That's got to be a book title in the future, right?

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              #43

              @doctormo hmm… 🤔

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              • ghostrunner@hachyderm.ioG ghostrunner@hachyderm.io

                @Natasha_Jay this DESPITE the foundational study's Conclusion that it is inaccurate.

                https://openaccess-api.cms-conferences.org/articles/download/978-1-964867-73-1_45

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                #44

                @ghostrunner
                Why am I not surprised? 🙄

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                • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                  I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

                  #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

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                  slotos@toot.community
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                  #45

                  @Natasha_Jay Are we automating Goodheart’s law now?

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                  • robo105@mastodon.socialR robo105@mastodon.social

                    @Natasha_Jay Silicone sampling tells us what AI wants us to believe but nothing about humans. It probably makes money so it will be a growing concern

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                    slotos@toot.community
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                    #46

                    @Robo105 @Natasha_Jay Correction, “what people that trained AI models think others should believe”.

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                    • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                      I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

                      #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

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                      dukeboitans@mas.to
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                      #47

                      @Natasha_Jay Fuck this shit. AI is garbage tech and completely useless. There's nothing to salvage here.
                      I say we nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

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                      • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                        I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

                        #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

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                        #48

                        @Natasha_Jay run a simulation based on the other & former opinions of unspecified entities to determine the current and specific opinion of a certain group of people - yeah no

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                        • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                          I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

                          #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

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                          #49

                          @Natasha_Jay this defies any purpose actual polling serves. Polling is quite literally with goal to get what people think at recent point in the past.
                          Polling already alone is incredibly hard, and internet and lack of land line phones has made even close to impossible. Anyone who has allowed such "llm generated polling" nonsenss to be published as truth should be called out to be liar.
                          Commercial polling has been struggling, but this takes the cake.

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                          • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                            I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

                            #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

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                            #50

                            @Natasha_Jay Jesus fucking Christ. So... in other words, complete unadulterated bullshit posing as a survey?!?

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                            • peteriskrisjanis@toot.lvP peteriskrisjanis@toot.lv

                              @Natasha_Jay this defies any purpose actual polling serves. Polling is quite literally with goal to get what people think at recent point in the past.
                              Polling already alone is incredibly hard, and internet and lack of land line phones has made even close to impossible. Anyone who has allowed such "llm generated polling" nonsenss to be published as truth should be called out to be liar.
                              Commercial polling has been struggling, but this takes the cake.

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                              #51

                              @Natasha_Jay I understand llm appeal in content templating etc. but claiming that this somehow gives you any believable reference is madness.

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                              • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

                                #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

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                                @Natasha_Jay OK, this is why the other day I suggested that no one needs to quote "Elon Musk says" or any of that stuff anymore. Stop interviewing these idiots, and ask their idiot-boxes to make up what they MIGHT have said. That might get them to understand that having "AI" stand in for real people is a bad idea. And if it doesn't, at least we're still only getting bullshit answers like we would if we asked the "real" people.

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                                • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                  I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

                                  #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

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                                  #53

                                  @Natasha_Jay

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                                  • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                    I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

                                    #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

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                                    #54

                                    @Natasha_Jay the myriad ways people convince themselves that they are correct and not lying.

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                                    • lemonlolita@calckey.worldL lemonlolita@calckey.world

                                      @Natasha_Jay@tech.lgbt
                                      If you ever wondered how polling could be less useful, reliable ...

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                                      @lemonlolita @Natasha_Jay unless you make the LLM yourself.. I'm tired of telling this to people.
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                                      • jmcrookston@mastodon.socialJ jmcrookston@mastodon.social

                                        @Natasha_Jay

                                        Oh my Lord, I just can't with this stuff

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                                        #56

                                        @Natasha_Jay

                                        I just asked AI to simulate me not being able to stand this stuff 8 million times to verify and it resulted in 11 and 1/2 million verifications that I can't stand this stuff. So my point is completely validated. 🤡

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                                        • ohir@social.vivaldi.netO ohir@social.vivaldi.net

                                          @jawarajabbi @Natasha_Jay
                                          > I can make shit up too and I'll do it cheaper than an AI

                                          No and no. Was falsifying the raw material so easy no single person could catch it and get dissertations retracted.

                                          And if you want to fill out 1,008 questionnaires for $100 I think I might have a gig for ya 😉

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                                          @ohir @Natasha_Jay

                                          Well this apparently needs explaining: I was making a little joke. But you are correct that the shit I make up will be obvious. You get what you pay for, right?

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