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Gosh this was a (recent) first-hand lived experience.

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  • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

    @nerdpr0f @da_667 @iagox86 @hrbrmstr ive been cultivating this 'claude is your insider threat now' talk for months, and next week im servicing a customer with a tailored version of that talk, plus an llm workshop for how to use this stuff without rm'ing yourself or getting owned. i estimate this will become a template that other customers can purchase. so .. im not only working on it, i'll have an offering in a week to publish.

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    @Viss @nerdpr0f @da_667 @iagox86 @hrbrmstr I wish I had an anonomous way to send someone like you to talk to my execs. (Someone like you because it's Microsoft Copilot instead of Claude)

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      @Viss @nerdpr0f @da_667 @iagox86 @hrbrmstr I wish I had an anonomous way to send someone like you to talk to my execs. (Someone like you because it's Microsoft Copilot instead of Claude)

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      @Epic_Null @nerdpr0f @da_667 @iagox86 @hrbrmstr you can - just start an email thread and I can pick it up from there 😄

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      • hrbrmstr@mastodon.socialH hrbrmstr@mastodon.social

        Gosh this was a (recent) first-hand lived experience.

        I'm dismayed it's more prevalent than I hoped.

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        @hrbrmstr #AI is like a bomb. Anyone can use it; make it work. But the average Joe isn’t going to save your life if it “accidentally” arms itself.

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        • hrbrmstr@mastodon.socialH hrbrmstr@mastodon.social

          @jmcastagnetto aye. it is not going to end well for alot of firms. https://danielmiessler.com/blog/most-companies-arent-ready-for-ai

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          @hrbrmstr @jmcastagnetto I will admit that the groups that do the best with this "Use AI" initiative are the ones who are able to turn it into a "Invest in improving this tool we have"...

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            @hrbrmstr @jmcastagnetto I will admit that the groups that do the best with this "Use AI" initiative are the ones who are able to turn it into a "Invest in improving this tool we have"...

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            @Epic_Null @jmcastagnetto aye. I'm far from anti-"AI". But I will call spades, spades; and will point out daftness whenver I can.

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            • hrbrmstr@mastodon.socialH hrbrmstr@mastodon.social

              @Epic_Null @jmcastagnetto aye. I'm far from anti-"AI". But I will call spades, spades; and will point out daftness whenver I can.

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              @hrbrmstr @jmcastagnetto I have had to abandon my interest in the tech for an anti-AI stance due to just how much pressure there is around AI. I can't handle this hard-sell environment, especially not with the amount of scams and scammy behavior in the industry.

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              • rootwyrm@weird.autosR rootwyrm@weird.autos

                @da_667 @Viss @iagox86 @hrbrmstr after seeing the results of hiring one guy who was entirely reliant on LLMs, my policy is now one of "if my only choice is one of these people, then the only ethical course of action is to advise the company simply set the money on fire instead."
                I've been burned enough that I absolutely will not sign off on someone who is clearly that unqualified and uninterested. There is no possibility of ROI - especially when the only raise is by jumping employers.

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                @da_667 @Viss @iagox86 @hrbrmstr somebody once gave me shit for that stance, too. "If you don't teach them!" Which tells me they've never dealt with them.

                You cannot teach someone who yeets things without even reading it forget checking if any of it works, who argues REPEATEDLY because they only believe the chatbot, and then complains that you don't know anything because CrapGPT made insane shit up and the AI is super good at computer.

                They just drag EVERYONE down and make you look terrible.

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                • rootwyrm@weird.autosR rootwyrm@weird.autos

                  @da_667 @Viss @iagox86 @hrbrmstr somebody once gave me shit for that stance, too. "If you don't teach them!" Which tells me they've never dealt with them.

                  You cannot teach someone who yeets things without even reading it forget checking if any of it works, who argues REPEATEDLY because they only believe the chatbot, and then complains that you don't know anything because CrapGPT made insane shit up and the AI is super good at computer.

                  They just drag EVERYONE down and make you look terrible.

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                  @rootwyrm @Viss @iagox86 @hrbrmstr its all so frustrating that this is where the training pipeline is going. Down the fucking drain.

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                    @rootwyrm @Viss @iagox86 @hrbrmstr its all so frustrating that this is where the training pipeline is going. Down the fucking drain.

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                    @da_667 @rootwyrm @iagox86 @hrbrmstr i tried. i really did. fourteen times. and i documented it. out of fourteen people, only one appeared to actually want to learn stuff - everyone else just wanted cheatcodes to bypass having to learn stuff

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                    • rootwyrm@weird.autosR rootwyrm@weird.autos

                      @da_667 @Viss @iagox86 @hrbrmstr somebody once gave me shit for that stance, too. "If you don't teach them!" Which tells me they've never dealt with them.

                      You cannot teach someone who yeets things without even reading it forget checking if any of it works, who argues REPEATEDLY because they only believe the chatbot, and then complains that you don't know anything because CrapGPT made insane shit up and the AI is super good at computer.

                      They just drag EVERYONE down and make you look terrible.

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                      @rootwyrm @da_667 @Viss @iagox86 @hrbrmstr This is a realisation I’ve reached as well over the last couple of years in the AI bubble. Can’t teach people who are unwilling to learn. It’s a fools errand. And the pull of easy answers from LLM prompt is far stronger than actually trying to inspire people to figure out the hard stuff by themselves.

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