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  • hrbrmstr@mastodon.socialH hrbrmstr@mastodon.social

    Gosh this was a (recent) first-hand lived experience.

    I'm dismayed it's more prevalent than I hoped.

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    @hrbrmstr

    This bit is very direct, hopefully we all survive and learn from 'the reckoning':

    ¨... The reckoning will not be subtle. The firms still doing the work properly will be in a position to charge for it. The firms that have hollowed themselves out will discover that what they hollowed out was the thing the client was paying for. ..."

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    • jmcastagnetto@mastodon.socialJ jmcastagnetto@mastodon.social

      @hrbrmstr

      This bit is very direct, hopefully we all survive and learn from 'the reckoning':

      ¨... The reckoning will not be subtle. The firms still doing the work properly will be in a position to charge for it. The firms that have hollowed themselves out will discover that what they hollowed out was the thing the client was paying for. ..."

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      @jmcastagnetto aye. it is not going to end well for alot of firms. https://danielmiessler.com/blog/most-companies-arent-ready-for-ai

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      • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

        @da_667 @iagox86 @hrbrmstr the people who were already misrepresenting themselves and their skills, are now just empowered to be even worse using llms

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        @Viss @da_667 @iagox86 @hrbrmstr Same experience in hiring for our team. Only growth we have is from our internship program. We do two semesters with them before considering them for a position. So helps to find the really good ones (even if they aren’t well versed technically) and we can work on training more. The alternative is essentially taking a huge chance on someone and we definitely run into all of what you said.

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        • iagox86@infosec.exchangeI iagox86@infosec.exchange

          @Viss @hrbrmstr

          I spent more time than I should have correcting fundamentals. Eventually I stopped. He was not, in any meaningful sense, on the other side of the conversation

          Also

          The reckoning will not be subtle. The firms still doing the work properly will be in a position to charge for it. The firms that have hollowed themselves out will discover that what they hollowed out was the thing the client was paying for.

          And

          Misunderstanding and misuse of AI in the workplace is rampant. In many of the rooms I now find myself in, expertise has been asked to look the other way: to deliver faster, produce more, integrate the tools more deeply, get out of the way of the colleagues who are “getting things done”

          These are all painfully familiar to read these days

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          @iagox86 @Viss @hrbrmstr I cannot wait for the reckoning. I'll have a career again.

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          • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

            @nerdpr0f @da_667 @iagox86 @hrbrmstr ive been cultivating this 'claude is your insider threat now' talk for months, and next week im servicing a customer with a tailored version of that talk, plus an llm workshop for how to use this stuff without rm'ing yourself or getting owned. i estimate this will become a template that other customers can purchase. so .. im not only working on it, i'll have an offering in a week to publish.

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            @Viss @nerdpr0f @da_667 @iagox86 @hrbrmstr I wish I had an anonomous way to send someone like you to talk to my execs. (Someone like you because it's Microsoft Copilot instead of Claude)

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            • epic_null@infosec.exchangeE epic_null@infosec.exchange

              @Viss @nerdpr0f @da_667 @iagox86 @hrbrmstr I wish I had an anonomous way to send someone like you to talk to my execs. (Someone like you because it's Microsoft Copilot instead of Claude)

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              @Epic_Null @nerdpr0f @da_667 @iagox86 @hrbrmstr you can - just start an email thread and I can pick it up from there 😄

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              • hrbrmstr@mastodon.socialH hrbrmstr@mastodon.social

                Gosh this was a (recent) first-hand lived experience.

                I'm dismayed it's more prevalent than I hoped.

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                AI can produce work that looks expert without being expert. The failure arrives in two shapes, and both are reshaping the workplace.

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                @hrbrmstr #AI is like a bomb. Anyone can use it; make it work. But the average Joe isn’t going to save your life if it “accidentally” arms itself.

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                • hrbrmstr@mastodon.socialH hrbrmstr@mastodon.social

                  @jmcastagnetto aye. it is not going to end well for alot of firms. https://danielmiessler.com/blog/most-companies-arent-ready-for-ai

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                  @hrbrmstr @jmcastagnetto I will admit that the groups that do the best with this "Use AI" initiative are the ones who are able to turn it into a "Invest in improving this tool we have"...

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                  • epic_null@infosec.exchangeE epic_null@infosec.exchange

                    @hrbrmstr @jmcastagnetto I will admit that the groups that do the best with this "Use AI" initiative are the ones who are able to turn it into a "Invest in improving this tool we have"...

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                    @Epic_Null @jmcastagnetto aye. I'm far from anti-"AI". But I will call spades, spades; and will point out daftness whenver I can.

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                    • hrbrmstr@mastodon.socialH hrbrmstr@mastodon.social

                      @Epic_Null @jmcastagnetto aye. I'm far from anti-"AI". But I will call spades, spades; and will point out daftness whenver I can.

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                      @hrbrmstr @jmcastagnetto I have had to abandon my interest in the tech for an anti-AI stance due to just how much pressure there is around AI. I can't handle this hard-sell environment, especially not with the amount of scams and scammy behavior in the industry.

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                      • rootwyrm@weird.autosR rootwyrm@weird.autos

                        @da_667 @Viss @iagox86 @hrbrmstr after seeing the results of hiring one guy who was entirely reliant on LLMs, my policy is now one of "if my only choice is one of these people, then the only ethical course of action is to advise the company simply set the money on fire instead."
                        I've been burned enough that I absolutely will not sign off on someone who is clearly that unqualified and uninterested. There is no possibility of ROI - especially when the only raise is by jumping employers.

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                        @da_667 @Viss @iagox86 @hrbrmstr somebody once gave me shit for that stance, too. "If you don't teach them!" Which tells me they've never dealt with them.

                        You cannot teach someone who yeets things without even reading it forget checking if any of it works, who argues REPEATEDLY because they only believe the chatbot, and then complains that you don't know anything because CrapGPT made insane shit up and the AI is super good at computer.

                        They just drag EVERYONE down and make you look terrible.

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                        • rootwyrm@weird.autosR rootwyrm@weird.autos

                          @da_667 @Viss @iagox86 @hrbrmstr somebody once gave me shit for that stance, too. "If you don't teach them!" Which tells me they've never dealt with them.

                          You cannot teach someone who yeets things without even reading it forget checking if any of it works, who argues REPEATEDLY because they only believe the chatbot, and then complains that you don't know anything because CrapGPT made insane shit up and the AI is super good at computer.

                          They just drag EVERYONE down and make you look terrible.

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                          @rootwyrm @Viss @iagox86 @hrbrmstr its all so frustrating that this is where the training pipeline is going. Down the fucking drain.

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                            @rootwyrm @Viss @iagox86 @hrbrmstr its all so frustrating that this is where the training pipeline is going. Down the fucking drain.

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                            @da_667 @rootwyrm @iagox86 @hrbrmstr i tried. i really did. fourteen times. and i documented it. out of fourteen people, only one appeared to actually want to learn stuff - everyone else just wanted cheatcodes to bypass having to learn stuff

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                            • rootwyrm@weird.autosR rootwyrm@weird.autos

                              @da_667 @Viss @iagox86 @hrbrmstr somebody once gave me shit for that stance, too. "If you don't teach them!" Which tells me they've never dealt with them.

                              You cannot teach someone who yeets things without even reading it forget checking if any of it works, who argues REPEATEDLY because they only believe the chatbot, and then complains that you don't know anything because CrapGPT made insane shit up and the AI is super good at computer.

                              They just drag EVERYONE down and make you look terrible.

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                              @rootwyrm @da_667 @Viss @iagox86 @hrbrmstr This is a realisation I’ve reached as well over the last couple of years in the AI bubble. Can’t teach people who are unwilling to learn. It’s a fools errand. And the pull of easy answers from LLM prompt is far stronger than actually trying to inspire people to figure out the hard stuff by themselves.

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