@keepandroidopen — this is the final push for our freedom of choice.
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@keepandroidopen — this is the final push for our freedom of choice. Without swift action, Europe risks losing control and paying a high price to stay connected to the digital world we value.
Here are some alternative operating systems to consider:
- @GrapheneOS
- @lineageos
- @murena /e/OS
- @sailfishosnews
Let’s explore these options or develop other alternatives to keep our digital future open and accessible.@jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen
Anddd none of these support my samsung models...
Whatever I'll just debloat the shit out of them -
@jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen
Anddd none of these support my samsung models...
Whatever I'll just debloat the shit out of them -
@Pizzasquidwithatophat @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen time to invest in @WeAreFairphone
@jfr_1980 @Pizzasquidwithatophat @keepandroidopen Fairphones are designed and manufactured by an ODM in China. They have poor updates and long term support despite the inaccurate marketing. Fairphone fails to provide basic kernel updates and portrays shipping updates years late as years of extra support. Fairphones have poor privacy and security regardless of OS choice. They're never going to support running GrapheneOS and are a dead end.
See https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private for much more information.
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@keepandroidopen — this is the final push for our freedom of choice. Without swift action, Europe risks losing control and paying a high price to stay connected to the digital world we value.
Here are some alternative operating systems to consider:
- @GrapheneOS
- @lineageos
- @murena /e/OS
- @sailfishosnews
Let’s explore these options or develop other alternatives to keep our digital future open and accessible.@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen /e/OS is a fake privacy project. It has very poor privacy and extraordinarily poor security. It fails to provide users with basic updates and protections. They market it as private but yet have user tracking, send sensitive user data to third party services without consent and fail to keep up with basic privacy patches/protections. They market it as degoogled and yet is has far more Google services and privileged Google app/service integration than AOSP.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen /e/OS is a fake privacy project. It has very poor privacy and extraordinarily poor security. It fails to provide users with basic updates and protections. They market it as private but yet have user tracking, send sensitive user data to third party services without consent and fail to keep up with basic privacy patches/protections. They market it as degoogled and yet is has far more Google services and privileged Google app/service integration than AOSP.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen It makes far more sense to use LineageOS itself rather than a sketchy fork from an organization and company which have engaged in years of attacks on actual privacy projects. Giving money to Murena is contributing to harming actual privacy and security efforts on mobile. Using /e/ hands your data to authoritarians on a silver platter. It's far less defended against attacks than using an iPhone. No surprise governments against secure devices are funding it.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen It makes far more sense to use LineageOS itself rather than a sketchy fork from an organization and company which have engaged in years of attacks on actual privacy projects. Giving money to Murena is contributing to harming actual privacy and security efforts on mobile. Using /e/ hands your data to authoritarians on a silver platter. It's far less defended against attacks than using an iPhone. No surprise governments against secure devices are funding it.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen SaifishOS is a closed source OS bringing the lack of privacy and security on desktops to mobile.
SailfishOS began working with Putin's regime in 2015 after his initial invasion of Ukraine. They closely worked with the Russian government for years. A Russian state enterprise had near majority ownership of Jolla. They only began seriously trying to split away from Russia in 2022. It's still the same people with the same values who made a deal with the devil.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen It makes far more sense to use LineageOS itself rather than a sketchy fork from an organization and company which have engaged in years of attacks on actual privacy projects. Giving money to Murena is contributing to harming actual privacy and security efforts on mobile. Using /e/ hands your data to authoritarians on a silver platter. It's far less defended against attacks than using an iPhone. No surprise governments against secure devices are funding it.
@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen divide to control them all, they say ! Topic was about being able to install open source app after google lockdown . WE NEED TO BE UNITED FFS. I don't give a f*ck about privacy , this will raise the cost and kill any european alternative to attack US big tech x US wish to replace human by robots after landing napalm on all non align countries vision please
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen SaifishOS is a closed source OS bringing the lack of privacy and security on desktops to mobile.
SailfishOS began working with Putin's regime in 2015 after his initial invasion of Ukraine. They closely worked with the Russian government for years. A Russian state enterprise had near majority ownership of Jolla. They only began seriously trying to split away from Russia in 2022. It's still the same people with the same values who made a deal with the devil.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Putin was busy killing off political opposition with assassinations and working towards destroying the EU while they were closely working with his government for years. SailfishOS is largely closed source so it can't simply be forked, but the Russian government has a fork of it called AuroraOS since they were partners. Jolla claims to no longer be involved with Russia but it's the same management who worked with them for years. Keep an eye on that post-war.
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@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen divide to control them all, they say ! Topic was about being able to install open source app after google lockdown . WE NEED TO BE UNITED FFS. I don't give a f*ck about privacy , this will raise the cost and kill any european alternative to attack US big tech x US wish to replace human by robots after landing napalm on all non align countries vision please
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Murena are scammers who have heavily invested in destroying GrapheneOS. That includes the founder of /e/ and Murena (Gaël Duval) actively participating in harassment towards our team. He has repeatedly spread harassment content from Kiwi Farms and even a blatant neo-nazi website.
SailfishOS was made in close partnership with the authoritarian Russian government.
The values of the people involved in both organizations are atrocious and no allies of ours.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Murena are scammers who have heavily invested in destroying GrapheneOS. That includes the founder of /e/ and Murena (Gaël Duval) actively participating in harassment towards our team. He has repeatedly spread harassment content from Kiwi Farms and even a blatant neo-nazi website.
SailfishOS was made in close partnership with the authoritarian Russian government.
The values of the people involved in both organizations are atrocious and no allies of ours.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Jolla tacitly supported Russia's invasion of Ukraine prior to 2022, assassinations of political opposition and attacks on the European Union. They only changed course when it became untenable for them to continue. They began working with Russia after their invasion of Ukraine and the imposition of many sanctions since they started their partnership in 2015. It's absolutely atrocious.
Murena spreading Kiwi Farms and neo-nazi harassment content is awful too.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Jolla tacitly supported Russia's invasion of Ukraine prior to 2022, assassinations of political opposition and attacks on the European Union. They only changed course when it became untenable for them to continue. They began working with Russia after their invasion of Ukraine and the imposition of many sanctions since they started their partnership in 2015. It's absolutely atrocious.
Murena spreading Kiwi Farms and neo-nazi harassment content is awful too.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Here's one of many cases of Duval doing that:
https://archive.is/SWXPJ
https://archive.is/n4yTOYou can easily confirm this is a neo-nazi conspiracy site. The content is clearly harassment content based around fabrications from Kiwi Farms. It links to content from Kiwi Farms members. The context was Duval trying to take advantage of authoritarian pressure on GrapheneOS in France as part of them cracking down on encrypted messaging and secure devices.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Here's one of many cases of Duval doing that:
https://archive.is/SWXPJ
https://archive.is/n4yTOYou can easily confirm this is a neo-nazi conspiracy site. The content is clearly harassment content based around fabrications from Kiwi Farms. It links to content from Kiwi Farms members. The context was Duval trying to take advantage of authoritarian pressure on GrapheneOS in France as part of them cracking down on encrypted messaging and secure devices.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen We won't participate or support anything which involves or includes /e/ and Murena. Including them is excluding the people who they've spent years targeting with fabricated stories and harassment. If our support is wanted then people can stop including serial harassers and scammers. There is no coming back from what they've done to us. There will be no unity or collaboration with people who have done what they have. They should leave the industry completely.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen We won't participate or support anything which involves or includes /e/ and Murena. Including them is excluding the people who they've spent years targeting with fabricated stories and harassment. If our support is wanted then people can stop including serial harassers and scammers. There is no coming back from what they've done to us. There will be no unity or collaboration with people who have done what they have. They should leave the industry completely.
@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen good to know about sailfish ! I ll check on murena , it sounds like fierce competition ? I dont get the why ? Still trying to find out best alternative outside the trumposphere. Europe needs to create more links with commonweatlh and Mercosur. You need to sell your soul and put graphene in some ready from shelf phone , we are not in 20th century anymore , we need large adoption options and convince mainstream media to support . the time is now.
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@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen good to know about sailfish ! I ll check on murena , it sounds like fierce competition ? I dont get the why ? Still trying to find out best alternative outside the trumposphere. Europe needs to create more links with commonweatlh and Mercosur. You need to sell your soul and put graphene in some ready from shelf phone , we are not in 20th century anymore , we need large adoption options and convince mainstream media to support . the time is now.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen GrapheneOS is a privacy and security hardened OS greatly improving those areas. /e/ is the direct opposite of it. /e/ massively reduces privacy and security compared to AOSP. /e/ lags extremely far behind on privacy/security patches including major OS updates required for full patches. /e/ adds a bunch of invasive services including one sending user data to OpenAI along with a bunch of always on Google services and privileged Google service integration.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen GrapheneOS is a privacy and security hardened OS greatly improving those areas. /e/ is the direct opposite of it. /e/ massively reduces privacy and security compared to AOSP. /e/ lags extremely far behind on privacy/security patches including major OS updates required for full patches. /e/ adds a bunch of invasive services including one sending user data to OpenAI along with a bunch of always on Google services and privileged Google service integration.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Instead of doing local processing for speech-to-text as Apple and GrapheneOS are doing, /e/ has a supposedly private service for it which actually just sends the sensitive user data to OpenAI and calls it anonymized since they pass it through their own servers:
Voice to Text feature using Open AI
As I was reading the Murena’s terms of use I discovered that the voice to text feature introduced with e/OS/ 3.0 is using the Open AI API. That means our voice is sent to Open AI so they can translate it to text. Murena…
/e/OS community (community.e.foundation)
It's representative of their approach. You should read https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private and the third party content from Divested Computing, Mike Kuketz and Eylenburg linked there.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Instead of doing local processing for speech-to-text as Apple and GrapheneOS are doing, /e/ has a supposedly private service for it which actually just sends the sensitive user data to OpenAI and calls it anonymized since they pass it through their own servers:
Voice to Text feature using Open AI
As I was reading the Murena’s terms of use I discovered that the voice to text feature introduced with e/OS/ 3.0 is using the Open AI API. That means our voice is sent to Open AI so they can translate it to text. Murena…
/e/OS community (community.e.foundation)
It's representative of their approach. You should read https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private and the third party content from Divested Computing, Mike Kuketz and Eylenburg linked there.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen A serious alternative to GrapheneOS is using an iPhone 17. Apple is providing strong privacy and security. They have their own end-to-end encrypted cloud services too but people can use many alternatives to those such as the Proton app suite on GrapheneOS.
/e/ isn't in the same space at all and we don't consider it competition. We worry about what Apple is implementing and how we can stay ahead / keep up, not a project doing nearly the opposite of us.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen A serious alternative to GrapheneOS is using an iPhone 17. Apple is providing strong privacy and security. They have their own end-to-end encrypted cloud services too but people can use many alternatives to those such as the Proton app suite on GrapheneOS.
/e/ isn't in the same space at all and we don't consider it competition. We worry about what Apple is implementing and how we can stay ahead / keep up, not a project doing nearly the opposite of us.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen The reason we have a major issue with /e/ and Murena is because they've spent years misinforming people about GrapheneOS as part of falsely marketing their products/services. It's very much a for-profit company putting money about ethics. /e/ also has a separate non-profit which is used to build the products for the for-profit while funding them with grants / donations. The same people control both and are directly profiting from the supposed non-profit.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen The reason we have a major issue with /e/ and Murena is because they've spent years misinforming people about GrapheneOS as part of falsely marketing their products/services. It's very much a for-profit company putting money about ethics. /e/ also has a separate non-profit which is used to build the products for the for-profit while funding them with grants / donations. The same people control both and are directly profiting from the supposed non-profit.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen
> You need to sell your soul and put graphene in some ready from shelf phone
There are companies selling phones with GrapheneOS.
You'll be happy to know one of the top 10 Android OEMs by sales is announcing a partnership with us early next month (March 2026). They're making devices meeting all of our requirements for updates and security features which will launch in 2027 with official support for GrapheneOS and perhaps variants with it preinstalled.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen
> You need to sell your soul and put graphene in some ready from shelf phone
There are companies selling phones with GrapheneOS.
You'll be happy to know one of the top 10 Android OEMs by sales is announcing a partnership with us early next month (March 2026). They're making devices meeting all of our requirements for updates and security features which will launch in 2027 with official support for GrapheneOS and perhaps variants with it preinstalled.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Pixels are currently the only available devices providing reasonable security combined with proper alternate OS support. That's why those are the only devices we currently support. There are companies in Europe such as NitroKey selling phones with them which are not partnered with us and we aren't involved in it but it's permitted by the open source licensing. Our OEM partnership is a much different thing since the devices are being improved to support it.
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@jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen Wait until the Graphene OS team shows up here roasting you for citing other operating systems XD
@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and they did. What do they drink or smoke at the GrapheneOS communication team? Everybody is evil except them. And promote an IPhone 17 when looking for European alternatives?
