Wow, this chart is wild!!
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Wow, this chart is wild!! Also, UK Ministers are dropping like flies, which means Starmer is going to be gone soon.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c1e2n923v1lt
What is it that people say about Proportional Representation creating unstable governments?
Meanwhile, the birthplace of First Past the Post, Tory/Whig, Red/Blue, two-party Parliamentary systems has been flip flopping more and more over the past 40 years.
Here is a quick mirror in Canadian (elected PMs) starting with P. Trudeau in 1968. My quick brain-calculated time periods may not be perfect.
We have not seen the same change to shorter terms, I believe because there has been a concerted effort since Pierre Trudeau and likely before him to diminish the role and power of individual MPs and concentrate power in the PMO.
The only serious push against that, I think, has been CPC MP Michael Chong's Reform Act which gave the ability for MPs to replace the leader, and J Trudeau's unilateral expelling of Senators from the Liberal Caucus which has caused that chamber to become nearly completely made up of "independent groupings”.
1968 - PET1: 11yrs 4mo
1979 Joe Clark: <1yr
1980 PET2: 4yr 4mo
1984 Brian Mulroney: 8yr 10mo
1993 Jean Chretien: 9yr 11mo
2003 Paul Martin: 2yr 2mo
2006 Stephen Harper: 9yr 9mo
2015 Justin Trudeau: 9yr 5mohttps://www.bbc.com/news/live/c1e2n923v1lt
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Wow, this chart is wild!! Also, UK Ministers are dropping like flies, which means Starmer is going to be gone soon.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c1e2n923v1lt
What is it that people say about Proportional Representation creating unstable governments?
Meanwhile, the birthplace of First Past the Post, Tory/Whig, Red/Blue, two-party Parliamentary systems has been flip flopping more and more over the past 40 years.
Here is a quick mirror in Canadian (elected PMs) starting with P. Trudeau in 1968. My quick brain-calculated time periods may not be perfect.
We have not seen the same change to shorter terms, I believe because there has been a concerted effort since Pierre Trudeau and likely before him to diminish the role and power of individual MPs and concentrate power in the PMO.
The only serious push against that, I think, has been CPC MP Michael Chong's Reform Act which gave the ability for MPs to replace the leader, and J Trudeau's unilateral expelling of Senators from the Liberal Caucus which has caused that chamber to become nearly completely made up of "independent groupings”.
1968 - PET1: 11yrs 4mo
1979 Joe Clark: <1yr
1980 PET2: 4yr 4mo
1984 Brian Mulroney: 8yr 10mo
1993 Jean Chretien: 9yr 11mo
2003 Paul Martin: 2yr 2mo
2006 Stephen Harper: 9yr 9mo
2015 Justin Trudeau: 9yr 5mohttps://www.bbc.com/news/live/c1e2n923v1lt
@chris You missed 1984 John Turner, 2 mo.
I think what people argue against isn't so much PR but minority governments and weak coalitions. For the record, I don't side with them on that argument, but I think that's the issue - as demonstrated by what happens in a FPTP system when the government doesn't hold a majority and the opposition is gunning to force an election.
My counter-argument is that a lot of the impetus to take down a minority government in a FPTP system is the understanding that, due to FPTP, the opposition stands a solid chance at forming government. You're either government or your not, with no need to play nice with anybody else.
Also, funny enough, I've been seeing a lot of merit in 'governance by random lottery' lately. Even random chance fairs better in my head than FPTP.
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