I was thinking that Musk is sufficiently an idiot, that there's a good chance there are plenty of Tesla cars out there that are going to outlive Tesla the company.
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I was thinking that Musk is sufficiently an idiot, that there's a good chance there are plenty of Tesla cars out there that are going to outlive Tesla the company.
What should society do with abandoned overly computerized cars?
Rip out the computers?
@alienghic i can tell you what not to do: set them on fire.
disasterously bad idea.
they’re toxic waste traps waiting to hurt people who are unaware of what lurks inside. they should be relocated to Not A Place Of Honor
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I was thinking that Musk is sufficiently an idiot, that there's a good chance there are plenty of Tesla cars out there that are going to outlive Tesla the company.
What should society do with abandoned overly computerized cars?
Rip out the computers?
Rip out the batteries and repurpose. Rip out the motors and repurpose. Recycle the steel and copper and glass...
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@alienghic i can tell you what not to do: set them on fire.
disasterously bad idea.
they’re toxic waste traps waiting to hurt people who are unaware of what lurks inside. they should be relocated to Not A Place Of Honor
Unfortunately that's nearly any electric car.
I think some Chinese companies are making progress on less terrible battery chemistries, but anything energy dense enough for a vehicle is still at least somewhat dangerous.
Unfortunately no one is willing to switch back to a transportation system built around trams or trains with overhead wires.
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Rip out the batteries and repurpose. Rip out the motors and repurpose. Recycle the steel and copper and glass...
I'm generally of the opinion that as long as there's gas powered cars, industrial civilization is going to be destroyed, so I think it's important to try and reuse whatever EVs exists for as long as they keep working.
Once something important breaks, then it's time to recycle.
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I'm generally of the opinion that as long as there's gas powered cars, industrial civilization is going to be destroyed, so I think it's important to try and reuse whatever EVs exists for as long as they keep working.
Once something important breaks, then it's time to recycle.
The cars have no door handles, they trap people inside them and catch fire. They're death traps. Need to be recycled for safety reasons.
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The cars have no door handles, they trap people inside them and catch fire. They're death traps. Need to be recycled for safety reasons.
That's true.
The older ones had the emergency release directly connected to the door handle.
Tesla made them worse at some point, where the emergency release wasn't connected to the handle.
Honestly the simplest design solution to the door danger is a replacement door design that uses a frame for the window.
All the stupidity is so the glass can be flush with the car body, which then means you need an electric mechanism to retract the glass when you open the door.
Is designing a less stupid retrofit door less resource intensive than ripping the car apart and recycling?
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That's true.
The older ones had the emergency release directly connected to the door handle.
Tesla made them worse at some point, where the emergency release wasn't connected to the handle.
Honestly the simplest design solution to the door danger is a replacement door design that uses a frame for the window.
All the stupidity is so the glass can be flush with the car body, which then means you need an electric mechanism to retract the glass when you open the door.
Is designing a less stupid retrofit door less resource intensive than ripping the car apart and recycling?
Oh you're right, probably doing a door replacement is better.
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Unfortunately that's nearly any electric car.
I think some Chinese companies are making progress on less terrible battery chemistries, but anything energy dense enough for a vehicle is still at least somewhat dangerous.
Unfortunately no one is willing to switch back to a transportation system built around trams or trains with overhead wires.
yeah don't set cars on fire geniuses
also don't make it about electric, fart cars are equally poisonous and burn more often. It's almost like there's a giant tank of fuel inside, hooked to a pump!
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I was thinking that Musk is sufficiently an idiot, that there's a good chance there are plenty of Tesla cars out there that are going to outlive Tesla the company.
What should society do with abandoned overly computerized cars?
Rip out the computers?
@alienghic
Teslas are bad cars made of good parts.
The batteries have lots of life left in them after Tommy Tesla wrecks his fancy toy in ludic mode. Turns out 3-tonne toys are unsafe!There is a college called Weber Auto with a youtube channel showing teardowns and explanation of the subsystems and their components for those seeking inspiration
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yeah don't set cars on fire geniuses
also don't make it about electric, fart cars are equally poisonous and burn more often. It's almost like there's a giant tank of fuel inside, hooked to a pump!
I think the earlier generation Li-Ion batteries may burn hotter and be harder to put out than gasoline. But at least there's no CO2.
There's probably room to improve the safety of EV and batteries as we see how things go wrong.
Smaller, lighter vehicles, going more slowly would also make it easier to make them safer.
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I was thinking that Musk is sufficiently an idiot, that there's a good chance there are plenty of Tesla cars out there that are going to outlive Tesla the company.
What should society do with abandoned overly computerized cars?
Rip out the computers?
oh btw it is possible per Otmar Ebenhoech to root the Tesla Model S
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oh btw it is possible per Otmar Ebenhoech to root the Tesla Model S
I found this company EV West that uses the Tesla powertrain for retrofits for gasoline cars. https://www.youtube.com/@EVWest
I suspect they know quite a bit about what computer buses are needed to control the power train.
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I think the earlier generation Li-Ion batteries may burn hotter and be harder to put out than gasoline. But at least there's no CO2.
There's probably room to improve the safety of EV and batteries as we see how things go wrong.
Smaller, lighter vehicles, going more slowly would also make it easier to make them safer.
iirc lithium-cobalt-oxide cells were used in famous burny Toshiba laptops and the Tesla Roadster and Model S.
This chemistry, LiMnO and LiPo cells all have the ability to self-oxidize, making a hot and unsnuffable fire.
put it in a bucket of water, let it boil the water until it is done seems to be the only treatment... hard to do with cars!
Home-brewers seem to have mostly switched to LiFePO4, which as far as I know is very reluctant to burn.
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I think the earlier generation Li-Ion batteries may burn hotter and be harder to put out than gasoline. But at least there's no CO2.
There's probably room to improve the safety of EV and batteries as we see how things go wrong.
Smaller, lighter vehicles, going more slowly would also make it easier to make them safer.
at 5mph self-driving gets pretty easy
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at 5mph self-driving gets pretty easy
@outputdoubtr @alienghic are you questioning my god given right as an american to take up a massively disproportionate amount of space on the planet?
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@outputdoubtr @alienghic are you questioning my god given right as an american to take up a massively disproportionate amount of space on the planet?
I mean as a global warming depressive, I'd really like to live in a world where I get to keep regularly having access to water, food, and shelter, and I'm pretty worried the world the fossil fuel companies and governments are dragging us into won't let us peasants have such luxuries.
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@outputdoubtr @alienghic are you questioning my god given right as an american to take up a massively disproportionate amount of space on the planet?
KInd of!
I'm offering a trade for something waaaay better -
I think the earlier generation Li-Ion batteries may burn hotter and be harder to put out than gasoline. But at least there's no CO2.
There's probably room to improve the safety of EV and batteries as we see how things go wrong.
Smaller, lighter vehicles, going more slowly would also make it easier to make them safer.
going fast on the ground became kind of dopey once flying machines came to be
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Unfortunately that's nearly any electric car.
I think some Chinese companies are making progress on less terrible battery chemistries, but anything energy dense enough for a vehicle is still at least somewhat dangerous.
Unfortunately no one is willing to switch back to a transportation system built around trams or trains with overhead wires.
@alienghic @bri7 LFP batteries are quite safe. As in, you can throw them into a fire and they still won't explode, or you can take a pick-axe to them and they won't catch fire. They also last 3-4 times as long. -
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