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I reported an insecure DKIM key to Deutsche Telekom / T-Systems.

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  • dragonfrog@mastodon.sdf.orgD dragonfrog@mastodon.sdf.org

    @badkeys
    Looks like they've fixed it now (?)

    The TXT record is now
    "v=DKIM1; k=rsa; g=*; s=email; p=MEwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADOwAwOAIxALU5YkGFdl78dThpA8ji+/fQUxRLqG2NnZ9gILYigkIK4e/DVStSSo9MkV4DZz6RgQIDAQAB"

    I really hope they generated a new key, and didn't just switch from publishing the private key to the corresponding public one...

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    @dragonfrog @badkeys Most people might not be fluent in base64-encoded ASN.1, but a trained eye can see that it's the same key.

    Hint: A sufficiently strong RSA key cannot possibly be that short, and you know it's a DER-encoded pubkey because it starts with "ME" and ends with "AQAB" (0x10001, common RSA public exponent)

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    • buherator@infosec.placeB buherator@infosec.place
      @badkeys My educated guess is they couldn't fit larger keys into their DNS records...
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      @buherator @badkeys No, they thought they were generating an ECDSA key, for which a 256 or 384 bit would be strong. But, they didn't provide the right arguments, and wound up with RSA. I think the OP posted the private key that they were able to crack trivially.

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      • millie@infosec.exchangeM millie@infosec.exchange

        @dragonfrog @badkeys Most people might not be fluent in base64-encoded ASN.1, but a trained eye can see that it's the same key.

        Hint: A sufficiently strong RSA key cannot possibly be that short, and you know it's a DER-encoded pubkey because it starts with "ME" and ends with "AQAB" (0x10001, common RSA public exponent)

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        @millie @badkeys
        Oh gosh, so they've removed the private key, but it's still the public key that goes with a private key that they already published.

        A sound as if a thousand faces rested in a thousand palms, and a thousand IT people sighed heavily...

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        • dragonfrog@mastodon.sdf.orgD dragonfrog@mastodon.sdf.org

          @millie @badkeys
          Oh gosh, so they've removed the private key, but it's still the public key that goes with a private key that they already published.

          A sound as if a thousand faces rested in a thousand palms, and a thousand IT people sighed heavily...

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          @dragonfrog @badkeys No, the private key was never published by t-systems, but it's so weak that it's very easy to crack. OP cracked and published the private key.

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          • mcr314@todon.nlM mcr314@todon.nl

            @buherator @badkeys No, they thought they were generating an ECDSA key, for which a 256 or 384 bit would be strong. But, they didn't provide the right arguments, and wound up with RSA. I think the OP posted the private key that they were able to crack trivially.

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            @mcr314 @badkeys Source? I doubt someone who makes a mistake like this knows what ECDSA is.
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            • millie@infosec.exchangeM millie@infosec.exchange

              @dragonfrog @badkeys No, the private key was never published by t-systems, but it's so weak that it's very easy to crack. OP cracked and published the private key.

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              @millie @badkeys thank you, I get it now. Iguess I'm having a slow day!

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              • badkeys@infosec.exchangeB badkeys@infosec.exchange

                I reported an insecure DKIM key to Deutsche Telekom / T-Systems. They first asked me to further explain things (not sure why 'Here's your DKIM private key' needs more explanation, but whatever...). Then they told me it's out of scope for their bugbounty.

                I guess then there's really no reason not to tell you: They have a 384 bit RSA DKIM key configured at: dkim._domainkey.t-systems.nl

                384 bit RSA is... how shall I put it? I think 512 bit is the lowest RSA key size that was ever really used. 384 bit RSA is crackable in a few hours on a modern PC (using cado-nfs). The private key is:
                -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
                MIHxAgEAAjEAtTliQYV2Xvx1OGkDyOL799BTFEuobY2dn2AgtiKCQgrh78NVK1JK
                j0yRXgNnPpGBAgMBAAECMF0t+TBZUCi8xATSMij7VLTxv5Xi5OIXesNiXOKtYIRP
                LkpYfR5PggaMScfbmqSssQIZAMwOhm9d7Y7Qi7I2j1AlYbiqdtqO54T7FQIZAONa
                9dJFkC6lM3EPXR+0SZ4dqwwpiM0nvQIYYgz8thi5JK264ohq9sTvnu9yKvUN9I09
                AhgfgMYZKcxtujRjkSZtMzUUNLYzzDmJe90CGDKwqcBI0v9ChaR8WHht+/chMdxj
                7ez94w==
                -----END RSA PRIVATE KEY-----

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                @badkeys@infosec.exchange

                send an email coming from them.

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                • K kkarhan@jorts.horse

                  @momo @badkeys sadly this is being normalized today.

                  • #Microsoft literally demands people to self-d0x or they just silently drop all eMails, even replies to their customers.
                    • And OFC neither @BNetzA nor @EUCommission did anything about this.
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                  @kkarhan @momo @badkeys @BNetzA @EUCommission Had the same issue just recently. I wonder how this can even be legal. 🤔

                  I wanted to ask a lawyer about this, but never came around doing so.

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                  • q@glauca.spaceQ q@glauca.space

                    @badkeys You thought 384-bit was bad? I recently found a live, in daily use, 256-bit key in a, shall we say, large government entity that should know better (would rather not say much more publicly as its relevant to a paper under submission).

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                    @q @badkeys BSI at it again?

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                    • 16af93@wetdry.world1 16af93@wetdry.world

                      @q @badkeys BSI at it again?

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                      @16af93 @badkeys for once, its not the Germans

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                      • q@glauca.spaceQ q@glauca.space

                        @16af93 @badkeys for once, its not the Germans

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                        @q @badkeys

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                        • badkeys@infosec.exchangeB badkeys@infosec.exchange

                          I reported an insecure DKIM key to Deutsche Telekom / T-Systems. They first asked me to further explain things (not sure why 'Here's your DKIM private key' needs more explanation, but whatever...). Then they told me it's out of scope for their bugbounty.

                          I guess then there's really no reason not to tell you: They have a 384 bit RSA DKIM key configured at: dkim._domainkey.t-systems.nl

                          384 bit RSA is... how shall I put it? I think 512 bit is the lowest RSA key size that was ever really used. 384 bit RSA is crackable in a few hours on a modern PC (using cado-nfs). The private key is:
                          -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
                          MIHxAgEAAjEAtTliQYV2Xvx1OGkDyOL799BTFEuobY2dn2AgtiKCQgrh78NVK1JK
                          j0yRXgNnPpGBAgMBAAECMF0t+TBZUCi8xATSMij7VLTxv5Xi5OIXesNiXOKtYIRP
                          LkpYfR5PggaMScfbmqSssQIZAMwOhm9d7Y7Qi7I2j1AlYbiqdtqO54T7FQIZAONa
                          9dJFkC6lM3EPXR+0SZ4dqwwpiM0nvQIYYgz8thi5JK264ohq9sTvnu9yKvUN9I09
                          AhgfgMYZKcxtujRjkSZtMzUUNLYzzDmJe90CGDKwqcBI0v9ChaR8WHht+/chMdxj
                          7ez94w==
                          -----END RSA PRIVATE KEY-----

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                          @badkeys
                          That was crackable with private entity resources decades ago.

                          That's not even funny.

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                          • q@glauca.spaceQ q@glauca.space

                            @16af93 @badkeys for once, its not the Germans

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                            @q @16af93 @badkeys iirc 256-bit rsa is satcomms 'standards'

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                            • badkeys@infosec.exchangeB badkeys@infosec.exchange

                              I reported an insecure DKIM key to Deutsche Telekom / T-Systems. They first asked me to further explain things (not sure why 'Here's your DKIM private key' needs more explanation, but whatever...). Then they told me it's out of scope for their bugbounty.

                              I guess then there's really no reason not to tell you: They have a 384 bit RSA DKIM key configured at: dkim._domainkey.t-systems.nl

                              384 bit RSA is... how shall I put it? I think 512 bit is the lowest RSA key size that was ever really used. 384 bit RSA is crackable in a few hours on a modern PC (using cado-nfs). The private key is:
                              -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
                              MIHxAgEAAjEAtTliQYV2Xvx1OGkDyOL799BTFEuobY2dn2AgtiKCQgrh78NVK1JK
                              j0yRXgNnPpGBAgMBAAECMF0t+TBZUCi8xATSMij7VLTxv5Xi5OIXesNiXOKtYIRP
                              LkpYfR5PggaMScfbmqSssQIZAMwOhm9d7Y7Qi7I2j1AlYbiqdtqO54T7FQIZAONa
                              9dJFkC6lM3EPXR+0SZ4dqwwpiM0nvQIYYgz8thi5JK264ohq9sTvnu9yKvUN9I09
                              AhgfgMYZKcxtujRjkSZtMzUUNLYzzDmJe90CGDKwqcBI0v9ChaR8WHht+/chMdxj
                              7ez94w==
                              -----END RSA PRIVATE KEY-----

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                              @badkeys@infosec.exchange oooofffff

                              But why would they turn down the bug bounty????

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                              • badkeys@infosec.exchangeB badkeys@infosec.exchange

                                I reported an insecure DKIM key to Deutsche Telekom / T-Systems. They first asked me to further explain things (not sure why 'Here's your DKIM private key' needs more explanation, but whatever...). Then they told me it's out of scope for their bugbounty.

                                I guess then there's really no reason not to tell you: They have a 384 bit RSA DKIM key configured at: dkim._domainkey.t-systems.nl

                                384 bit RSA is... how shall I put it? I think 512 bit is the lowest RSA key size that was ever really used. 384 bit RSA is crackable in a few hours on a modern PC (using cado-nfs). The private key is:
                                -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
                                MIHxAgEAAjEAtTliQYV2Xvx1OGkDyOL799BTFEuobY2dn2AgtiKCQgrh78NVK1JK
                                j0yRXgNnPpGBAgMBAAECMF0t+TBZUCi8xATSMij7VLTxv5Xi5OIXesNiXOKtYIRP
                                LkpYfR5PggaMScfbmqSssQIZAMwOhm9d7Y7Qi7I2j1AlYbiqdtqO54T7FQIZAONa
                                9dJFkC6lM3EPXR+0SZ4dqwwpiM0nvQIYYgz8thi5JK264ohq9sTvnu9yKvUN9I09
                                AhgfgMYZKcxtujRjkSZtMzUUNLYzzDmJe90CGDKwqcBI0v9ChaR8WHht+/chMdxj
                                7ez94w==
                                -----END RSA PRIVATE KEY-----

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                                @networkexception Now I want T-Systems involved into Synapse Pro development. Have an ISP approved way when your matrix message "is not decryptable" to decrypt it after a few hours of compute time. It's not a bug, it's a feature they provide if their bug bounty rejects this.

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                                • badkeys@infosec.exchangeB badkeys@infosec.exchange

                                  I reported an insecure DKIM key to Deutsche Telekom / T-Systems. They first asked me to further explain things (not sure why 'Here's your DKIM private key' needs more explanation, but whatever...). Then they told me it's out of scope for their bugbounty.

                                  I guess then there's really no reason not to tell you: They have a 384 bit RSA DKIM key configured at: dkim._domainkey.t-systems.nl

                                  384 bit RSA is... how shall I put it? I think 512 bit is the lowest RSA key size that was ever really used. 384 bit RSA is crackable in a few hours on a modern PC (using cado-nfs). The private key is:
                                  -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
                                  MIHxAgEAAjEAtTliQYV2Xvx1OGkDyOL799BTFEuobY2dn2AgtiKCQgrh78NVK1JK
                                  j0yRXgNnPpGBAgMBAAECMF0t+TBZUCi8xATSMij7VLTxv5Xi5OIXesNiXOKtYIRP
                                  LkpYfR5PggaMScfbmqSssQIZAMwOhm9d7Y7Qi7I2j1AlYbiqdtqO54T7FQIZAONa
                                  9dJFkC6lM3EPXR+0SZ4dqwwpiM0nvQIYYgz8thi5JK264ohq9sTvnu9yKvUN9I09
                                  AhgfgMYZKcxtujRjkSZtMzUUNLYzzDmJe90CGDKwqcBI0v9ChaR8WHht+/chMdxj
                                  7ez94w==
                                  -----END RSA PRIVATE KEY-----

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                                  @badkeys bad companies that don't pay out bug bounties can have uncoordinated public disclosure as a treat :3

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                                  • badkeys@infosec.exchangeB badkeys@infosec.exchange

                                    I reported an insecure DKIM key to Deutsche Telekom / T-Systems. They first asked me to further explain things (not sure why 'Here's your DKIM private key' needs more explanation, but whatever...). Then they told me it's out of scope for their bugbounty.

                                    I guess then there's really no reason not to tell you: They have a 384 bit RSA DKIM key configured at: dkim._domainkey.t-systems.nl

                                    384 bit RSA is... how shall I put it? I think 512 bit is the lowest RSA key size that was ever really used. 384 bit RSA is crackable in a few hours on a modern PC (using cado-nfs). The private key is:
                                    -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
                                    MIHxAgEAAjEAtTliQYV2Xvx1OGkDyOL799BTFEuobY2dn2AgtiKCQgrh78NVK1JK
                                    j0yRXgNnPpGBAgMBAAECMF0t+TBZUCi8xATSMij7VLTxv5Xi5OIXesNiXOKtYIRP
                                    LkpYfR5PggaMScfbmqSssQIZAMwOhm9d7Y7Qi7I2j1AlYbiqdtqO54T7FQIZAONa
                                    9dJFkC6lM3EPXR+0SZ4dqwwpiM0nvQIYYgz8thi5JK264ohq9sTvnu9yKvUN9I09
                                    AhgfgMYZKcxtujRjkSZtMzUUNLYzzDmJe90CGDKwqcBI0v9ChaR8WHht+/chMdxj
                                    7ez94w==
                                    -----END RSA PRIVATE KEY-----

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                                    @badkeys Telekom. Die machen das.

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                                    • bebef@mastodon.socialB bebef@mastodon.social

                                      @kkarhan @momo @badkeys @BNetzA @EUCommission Had the same issue just recently. I wonder how this can even be legal. 🤔

                                      I wanted to ask a lawyer about this, but never came around doing so.

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                                      @Bebef @momo @badkeys Neither did I.

                                      And the next-best qualified lawyer I'd know in that part is @wbs_legal.

                                      • Sadly there's no legal precedent to establish the same "duty to deliver" as with #PostalOperators which ain't allowed to do anything unless explicitly instructed by the reciever or served a warrant by a judge.
                                        • And obviously regulators like @BNetzA & @EUCommission likely ain't even aware of this issue since #ConsumerProtection doesn't apply to #SmallBusinesses!
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                                      • bebef@mastodon.socialB bebef@mastodon.social

                                        @kkarhan @momo @badkeys @BNetzA @EUCommission Had the same issue just recently. I wonder how this can even be legal. 🤔

                                        I wanted to ask a lawyer about this, but never came around doing so.

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                                        @Bebef
                                        It's probably not, some countries have really tough laws that they apply to email delivery and privacy that makes even spam filtering a legally dicey proposition

                                        But let me put it like this, who wants to sue a company that has a legal budget bigger than the whole government budget of some of the poorer EU MS?

                                        And in the end as long as the users won't start moving their fat posteriors away from the big tech monopolies, ...
                                        @kkarhan @momo @badkeys @BNetzA @EUCommission

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                                        • badkeys@infosec.exchangeB badkeys@infosec.exchange

                                          I reported an insecure DKIM key to Deutsche Telekom / T-Systems. They first asked me to further explain things (not sure why 'Here's your DKIM private key' needs more explanation, but whatever...). Then they told me it's out of scope for their bugbounty.

                                          I guess then there's really no reason not to tell you: They have a 384 bit RSA DKIM key configured at: dkim._domainkey.t-systems.nl

                                          384 bit RSA is... how shall I put it? I think 512 bit is the lowest RSA key size that was ever really used. 384 bit RSA is crackable in a few hours on a modern PC (using cado-nfs). The private key is:
                                          -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
                                          MIHxAgEAAjEAtTliQYV2Xvx1OGkDyOL799BTFEuobY2dn2AgtiKCQgrh78NVK1JK
                                          j0yRXgNnPpGBAgMBAAECMF0t+TBZUCi8xATSMij7VLTxv5Xi5OIXesNiXOKtYIRP
                                          LkpYfR5PggaMScfbmqSssQIZAMwOhm9d7Y7Qi7I2j1AlYbiqdtqO54T7FQIZAONa
                                          9dJFkC6lM3EPXR+0SZ4dqwwpiM0nvQIYYgz8thi5JK264ohq9sTvnu9yKvUN9I09
                                          AhgfgMYZKcxtujRjkSZtMzUUNLYzzDmJe90CGDKwqcBI0v9ChaR8WHht+/chMdxj
                                          7ez94w==
                                          -----END RSA PRIVATE KEY-----

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                                          @badkeys This is the mastodon method of converting a private key into a public key. Scnr.

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