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Suddenly reminded of all the slop artists who justified it not for productivity or efficiency reasons, but because they would "never" be able to create visual art otherwise.

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  • anyia@lgbtqia.spaceA anyia@lgbtqia.space

    @SymTrkl yaay someone else reading GG!

    @faithisleaping

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    @anyia Literally dozens of us. As I recall @RoseRaven and @theogrin are also fans.
    @faithisleaping

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    • symtrkl@anarres.familyS symtrkl@anarres.family

      @anyia Literally dozens of us. As I recall @RoseRaven and @theogrin are also fans.
      @faithisleaping

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      @SymTrkl @anyia @RoseRaven @theogrin @faithisleaping I also used to at some point, but then the archive anxiety got the best of me.

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      • theartlav@anarres.familyT theartlav@anarres.family

        @SymTrkl @anyia @RoseRaven @theogrin @faithisleaping I also used to at some point, but then the archive anxiety got the best of me.

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        @theartlav GG is one of those comics where I can only binge, I just go back every couple years and catch up.
        @anyia @RoseRaven @theogrin @faithisleaping

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        • symtrkl@anarres.familyS symtrkl@anarres.family

          Suddenly reminded of all the slop artists who justified it not for productivity or efficiency reasons, but because they would "never" be able to create visual art otherwise.

          Imagine looking at someone who studied and practiced for years to hone a skill, and seeing an injustice. Assuming that you are owed the results of hard work you haven't done.

          The fun thing is, this isn't new. This is the fallacy of natural talent. The uncomfortable minimization of our work as "you're so talented, I could never..."
          Like we just woke up and started drawing good. Spoiler alert: Everyone can draw.¹ The only thing "talent" gets you is speed of acquisition, because visual art is 100% a learned skill. And this holds true for every creative endeavor. The only difference between making good art and saying "I tried and I could never..." is that the former kept going. Everyone starts bad. Everyone has to learn and improve.

          And that, more than anything, is what infuriates me about AI. Even if it weren't objectively bad for literally every other reason, it enables this mindset that creativity is this utterly valueless thing hoarded by those of us born to be great at it. The mindset of "my neighbor's kid could make this for twenty bucks." The mindset of "I'll pay you in exposure." Of "I did the hard part of coming up with the idea, now all you have to do is write the novel." Of "why pay [a fair wage for a skilled artist] when we could just generate this with AI?"

          ¹ No really, everyone. My partner has aphantasia, the inability to visualize objects in her mind, and I've seen her paint from reference, give cogent feedback on my work, and demonstrate a clear understanding of form and space in games like The Sims and Minecraft where the visualization is largely offloaded to the game world. She's really good at art, despite a limitation that most people would say should make it impossible. Everyone.

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          @SymTrkl@anarres.family Oh we draw all the time with essential tremor, dyspraxia, and aphantasia

          And it's annoying to be told we're talented because we're literally forced to make up for our own weaknesses AAAAAA

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          • symtrkl@anarres.familyS symtrkl@anarres.family

            @theartlav GG is one of those comics where I can only binge, I just go back every couple years and catch up.
            @anyia @RoseRaven @theogrin @faithisleaping

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            @SymTrkl @theartlav @anyia @RoseRaven @faithisleaping

            More than reasonable, and to be truthful, I sometimes go back and archive binge for days at a time. Just like re-reading Narbonic! But even longer.

            There are a lot of details which aren't easy to catch the first time, too. And you can play Spot the Winslow.

            Still, it's a lot, best done as a long-term project if you want to catch up or start.

            [ETA] Back to the original topic, I too have this weird thing where my brain is able to immediately grasp the nature of a system, to make the leaps necessary. This isn't the same thing as having studied them, and nor am I anywhere near as capable as someone who has. It's just a neat thing my mind is wired to do.

            Does that make me better than anyone else? Hah, not in the slightest. Not smarter, either. It's just a quirk of the wiring. And I wish more folks could get that: I'm not a genius by any metric!

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            • symtrkl@anarres.familyS symtrkl@anarres.family

              Suddenly reminded of all the slop artists who justified it not for productivity or efficiency reasons, but because they would "never" be able to create visual art otherwise.

              Imagine looking at someone who studied and practiced for years to hone a skill, and seeing an injustice. Assuming that you are owed the results of hard work you haven't done.

              The fun thing is, this isn't new. This is the fallacy of natural talent. The uncomfortable minimization of our work as "you're so talented, I could never..."
              Like we just woke up and started drawing good. Spoiler alert: Everyone can draw.¹ The only thing "talent" gets you is speed of acquisition, because visual art is 100% a learned skill. And this holds true for every creative endeavor. The only difference between making good art and saying "I tried and I could never..." is that the former kept going. Everyone starts bad. Everyone has to learn and improve.

              And that, more than anything, is what infuriates me about AI. Even if it weren't objectively bad for literally every other reason, it enables this mindset that creativity is this utterly valueless thing hoarded by those of us born to be great at it. The mindset of "my neighbor's kid could make this for twenty bucks." The mindset of "I'll pay you in exposure." Of "I did the hard part of coming up with the idea, now all you have to do is write the novel." Of "why pay [a fair wage for a skilled artist] when we could just generate this with AI?"

              ¹ No really, everyone. My partner has aphantasia, the inability to visualize objects in her mind, and I've seen her paint from reference, give cogent feedback on my work, and demonstrate a clear understanding of form and space in games like The Sims and Minecraft where the visualization is largely offloaded to the game world. She's really good at art, despite a limitation that most people would say should make it impossible. Everyone.

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              @SymTrkl so so much this! As a writer, I hear ‘I could never’ a lot and it makes me sad. Everyone can use words, everyone has stories they can tell. The biggest differences between them and me are practice, and a drive to do it.

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