So we're going to use Thrive Messenger even in its unencrypted state and originally visible database to all users, but start complaining about Escargo Chat which was not coded at 2AM with a bunch of AI prompts.
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So we're going to use Thrive Messenger even in its unencrypted state and originally visible database to all users, but start complaining about Escargo Chat which was not coded at 2AM with a bunch of AI prompts. Typical. LOL
@tunmi13 The problem is that those who use Thrive either don't know what is security, or at least what does this mean for an individual. I have no idea what Escargo chat is, after a quick Google search it seems to me as another alternative which is similar to the old MSN. For me it's rather strange why we start to use so many alternative clients and messaging apps when the ones that already exist, work properly. In terms of social sites, I'd say it's somewhat understandable, since for example Facebook and Mastodon are two really different things. But why would you use such niche apps instead of Whatsapp, Telegram, Signal or, you know, anything that's not your usual cyrcle of blind friends? Why do we always need to be unique and different, in case of our preferences as well? We often complain about being isolated from the sighted community, but this way we are doing it ourselves.
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So we're going to use Thrive Messenger even in its unencrypted state and originally visible database to all users, but start complaining about Escargo Chat which was not coded at 2AM with a bunch of AI prompts. Typical. LOL
@tunmi13 Lmao the irony
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@tunmi13 The problem is that those who use Thrive either don't know what is security, or at least what does this mean for an individual. I have no idea what Escargo chat is, after a quick Google search it seems to me as another alternative which is similar to the old MSN. For me it's rather strange why we start to use so many alternative clients and messaging apps when the ones that already exist, work properly. In terms of social sites, I'd say it's somewhat understandable, since for example Facebook and Mastodon are two really different things. But why would you use such niche apps instead of Whatsapp, Telegram, Signal or, you know, anything that's not your usual cyrcle of blind friends? Why do we always need to be unique and different, in case of our preferences as well? We often complain about being isolated from the sighted community, but this way we are doing it ourselves.
@destranis @tunmi13 Absolutely this.
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@tunmi13 The problem is that those who use Thrive either don't know what is security, or at least what does this mean for an individual. I have no idea what Escargo chat is, after a quick Google search it seems to me as another alternative which is similar to the old MSN. For me it's rather strange why we start to use so many alternative clients and messaging apps when the ones that already exist, work properly. In terms of social sites, I'd say it's somewhat understandable, since for example Facebook and Mastodon are two really different things. But why would you use such niche apps instead of Whatsapp, Telegram, Signal or, you know, anything that's not your usual cyrcle of blind friends? Why do we always need to be unique and different, in case of our preferences as well? We often complain about being isolated from the sighted community, but this way we are doing it ourselves.
@destranis @tunmi13 1. The security issues got fixed, and encryption is in progress.
2. This isn't just designed for blind people, but a lot of blind people are sick of bloated apps like Discord and WhatsApp which on desktop is now a web wrapper.
3. Escargot Chat is a service that lets you use the old MSN Messenger clients on modern Windows and message people.
Oh and about being isolated from the sighted world, if one was to actually do some digging you'd find out that even a lot of sighted people are sick of the enshittification of mainstream platforms. -
@destranis @tunmi13 1. The security issues got fixed, and encryption is in progress.
2. This isn't just designed for blind people, but a lot of blind people are sick of bloated apps like Discord and WhatsApp which on desktop is now a web wrapper.
3. Escargot Chat is a service that lets you use the old MSN Messenger clients on modern Windows and message people.
Oh and about being isolated from the sighted world, if one was to actually do some digging you'd find out that even a lot of sighted people are sick of the enshittification of mainstream platforms.@alexchapman @tunmi13 I don't think such a word as "enshittification" exists, but some native speakers will probably correct me if I'm mistaken. While I get your problems with bloated apps, I just don't understand one thing. If you have troubles using apps such as Discord or Whatsapp, are you also having trouble using a website in Chrome for example? If not, check out either the web version of these apps, or treat their apps as websites. It'll definitely help, as the elements you can find on them are basically the same as on a regular website you use every day.
The security problems of Thrive shouldn't have been there already at the beginning - or at least, not on release. It leaves a really bad taste in the mouth, knowing the fact that at some time all the data could have been leaked,, and who knows how many passwords you, as the developer know as of now. It's very sad when developers don't take security seriously enough and treat it as a bug that has already been fixed. -
@alexchapman @tunmi13 I don't think such a word as "enshittification" exists, but some native speakers will probably correct me if I'm mistaken. While I get your problems with bloated apps, I just don't understand one thing. If you have troubles using apps such as Discord or Whatsapp, are you also having trouble using a website in Chrome for example? If not, check out either the web version of these apps, or treat their apps as websites. It'll definitely help, as the elements you can find on them are basically the same as on a regular website you use every day.
The security problems of Thrive shouldn't have been there already at the beginning - or at least, not on release. It leaves a really bad taste in the mouth, knowing the fact that at some time all the data could have been leaked,, and who knows how many passwords you, as the developer know as of now. It's very sad when developers don't take security seriously enough and treat it as a bug that has already been fixed.@destranis @tunmi13 I looked enshittification up and it is a word. And its not just that, people don't wanna have to mess around like a website just to message people. But that's beside the point, people like the alternatives, there's nothing wrong with that.
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@destranis @tunmi13 I looked enshittification up and it is a word. And its not just that, people don't wanna have to mess around like a website just to message people. But that's beside the point, people like the alternatives, there's nothing wrong with that.
@alexchapman @tunmi13 I get you, it just seems to be really overused for me and I wasn't even sure if it was created to call something utter garbage by a wannabe specialist, or it really exists.
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@alexchapman @tunmi13 I get you, it just seems to be really overused for me and I wasn't even sure if it was created to call something utter garbage by a wannabe specialist, or it really exists.
@destranis @tunmi13 It definitely exists, just Google the word and you'll find info about it.
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@FreakyFwoof @alexchapman @tunmi13 Gotcha, thanks! Honestly I really thought it was made up by someone who really wanted power or something so they thought it'll be cool to invent overpowered words
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@tunmi13 The problem is that those who use Thrive either don't know what is security, or at least what does this mean for an individual. I have no idea what Escargo chat is, after a quick Google search it seems to me as another alternative which is similar to the old MSN. For me it's rather strange why we start to use so many alternative clients and messaging apps when the ones that already exist, work properly. In terms of social sites, I'd say it's somewhat understandable, since for example Facebook and Mastodon are two really different things. But why would you use such niche apps instead of Whatsapp, Telegram, Signal or, you know, anything that's not your usual cyrcle of blind friends? Why do we always need to be unique and different, in case of our preferences as well? We often complain about being isolated from the sighted community, but this way we are doing it ourselves.
@destranis The other problem is that they don't take the advice of people who understand cybersecurity. I still don't really know how they're going to implement security and I question whether they understand what E2EE is (or how to do it properly). I know how to do it properly because I've implemented half of it (the Noise protocol framework) and taht part alone is insanely hard and took me 6 months of very difficult work.
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@destranis The other problem is that they don't take the advice of people who understand cybersecurity. I still don't really know how they're going to implement security and I question whether they understand what E2EE is (or how to do it properly). I know how to do it properly because I've implemented half of it (the Noise protocol framework) and taht part alone is insanely hard and took me 6 months of very difficult work.
@draeand Exactly. While AI understands a lot of things, for such implementations you also need to have some knowledge because if you don't, your project will eventually fail. Either because someone finds a way to hack it, or because the developer's reputation will be so low that noone would trust him with sensitive data. And for Alex, the second option applies now.
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@draeand Exactly. While AI understands a lot of things, for such implementations you also need to have some knowledge because if you don't, your project will eventually fail. Either because someone finds a way to hack it, or because the developer's reputation will be so low that noone would trust him with sensitive data. And for Alex, the second option applies now.
@destranis Like I said, it took me 6 months of dedicated hard work to implement the Noise protocol framework, which is part of the signal protocol, in a secure manner. I would never trust AI to do something like that.
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