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  • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

    Specifically, this one.
    The Usborne guide to Better BASIC: a beginners guide to writing programs (1983)

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    See? Page 9. Arrays.

    foone@digipres.clubF klausman@mas.toK jsmuellerroemer@c.imJ billgoats@bitbang.socialB sbszine@dice.campS 6 Replies Last reply
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    • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

      what are we even doing here man

      klara@drupal.communityK This user is from outside of this forum
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      @foone so that is why I, as a teamlead that followed a webmaster course 25 years ago, gets asked to do senior Drupal dev jobs? I sure know my Arrays from my Booleans.

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      • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

        See? Page 9. Arrays.

        foone@digipres.clubF This user is from outside of this forum
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        #15

        Usborne released a bunch of their old 80s programming books for free a while back, and they're all just a gem:

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        Computer and coding books from Usborne | Usborne | Be Curious

        Usborne children's coding books for a new generation

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        (usborne.com)

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        • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

          what are we even doing here man

          jbaggs@infosec.exchangeJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          #16

          @foone I'm a little perturbed it reads: "in arrays" and not: "with arrays", to be honest.

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          • klara@drupal.communityK klara@drupal.community

            @foone so that is why I, as a teamlead that followed a webmaster course 25 years ago, gets asked to do senior Drupal dev jobs? I sure know my Arrays from my Booleans.

            foone@digipres.clubF This user is from outside of this forum
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            #17

            @Klara yeah apparently that's all you gotta know these days to be a developer

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            • tomf@mastodon.gamedev.placeT tomf@mastodon.gamedev.place

              @foone Reminds me of when a lawyer accused me of stealing someone else's graphics tech because we both used the same technology of "bilinear filtering." OK my friend you go ahead and bring that up in court be my guest.

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              @TomF @foone IBM got a patent on some obscure graphics method I used many years before in demo programming around 1990.
              I can't recall what it was. Maybe sprites masking with a CPU. Was something obvious

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              • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                if someone doesn't have experience with arrays, then they don't have enough experience with programming to hire them to program for you. they are still on page 9 of the programming book

                linear@nya.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                #19
                @foone@digipres.club i will take this opportunity to once again tell tale of the time i worked on an embedded device with a firmware written in C, roughly a 150,000-line codebase on a little STM32 chip

                the original author of the code base did not, in fact, seem to understand what an array was.

                the device communicated to another device bolted to the same machine, using MODBUS. with potentially up to 10,000 MODBUS registers storing data, but realistically only a few actually in use.

                the file defining the structure where the data was stored for the registers simply made a struct, with elements starting at "reg0" and incrementing up to "reg10000". the implementation file was just as bad.

                this is why the codebase was roughly 150,000 lines. it should have been perhaps 5000.


                the code used a small function that did pointer math in order to actually access the register, usually, unless it was referenced directly in code, or sometimes used a macro instead.

                none of this was even the worst offense within the codebase.
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                • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                  Usborne released a bunch of their old 80s programming books for free a while back, and they're all just a gem:

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                  Computer and coding books from Usborne | Usborne | Be Curious

                  Usborne children's coding books for a new generation

                  favicon

                  (usborne.com)

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                  @foone I learnt everything I know from Computer Fun… I still have the book.

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                  • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                    if someone doesn't have experience with arrays, then they don't have enough experience with programming to hire them to program for you. they are still on page 9 of the programming book

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                    @foone Arrays are when it stars getting fun. I think if someone's starting out and they get excited learning about multi-dimensional arrays, that's a good sign.

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                    • linear@nya.socialL linear@nya.social
                      @foone@digipres.club i will take this opportunity to once again tell tale of the time i worked on an embedded device with a firmware written in C, roughly a 150,000-line codebase on a little STM32 chip

                      the original author of the code base did not, in fact, seem to understand what an array was.

                      the device communicated to another device bolted to the same machine, using MODBUS. with potentially up to 10,000 MODBUS registers storing data, but realistically only a few actually in use.

                      the file defining the structure where the data was stored for the registers simply made a struct, with elements starting at "reg0" and incrementing up to "reg10000". the implementation file was just as bad.

                      this is why the codebase was roughly 150,000 lines. it should have been perhaps 5000.


                      the code used a small function that did pointer math in order to actually access the register, usually, unless it was referenced directly in code, or sometimes used a macro instead.

                      none of this was even the worst offense within the codebase.
                      gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @linear @foone

                      embedded undertale

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                      • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                        what are we even doing here man

                        kgmadee2@mathstodon.xyzK This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #23

                        @foone im not a developer, but I can say in good conscience that I do 🙂

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                        • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                          Usborne released a bunch of their old 80s programming books for free a while back, and they're all just a gem:

                          Link Preview Image
                          Computer and coding books from Usborne | Usborne | Be Curious

                          Usborne children's coding books for a new generation

                          favicon

                          (usborne.com)

                          th@social.v.stT This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @foone I've posted this page from Usborne's guide to jargon before and commented that I'd be happy if all programmers were as computer literate as grade school students in the 80s.

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                          • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                            if someone doesn't have experience with arrays, then they don't have enough experience with programming to hire them to program for you. they are still on page 9 of the programming book

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                            @foone Hey, functional programmers need jobs, too!

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                            • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                              what are we even doing here man

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                              @foone

                              Well, ok, that's a silly requirement. But do you have experience in Loops (flow control)?

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                              • th@social.v.stT th@social.v.st

                                @foone I've posted this page from Usborne's guide to jargon before and commented that I'd be happy if all programmers were as computer literate as grade school students in the 80s.

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                                @th god that'd be nice

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                                • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                                  See? Page 9. Arrays.

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                                  @foone What's weird is that I distincly remember page 9 (its illustrations, mostly), but I don't remember the book cover. I grew up in 80s West Germany, so maybe they were used in a different (or translated) book. Definitely a nostalgia hit 🙂

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                                  • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                                    if someone doesn't have experience with arrays, then they don't have enough experience with programming to hire them to program for you. they are still on page 9 of the programming book

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                                    @foone reminds me of the early 80s where we got code form teachers for educational stuff. And one guy understood subroutines by not arrays. He had one that was full of
                                    IF I=1 RETURN V1
                                    IF I=2 RETURN V2
                                    …
                                    Amazing stuff.

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                                    • klausman@mas.toK klausman@mas.to

                                      @foone What's weird is that I distincly remember page 9 (its illustrations, mostly), but I don't remember the book cover. I grew up in 80s West Germany, so maybe they were used in a different (or translated) book. Definitely a nostalgia hit 🙂

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                                      @klausman yeah, different publishers often use different covers, so I imagine the west german publisher just made their own cover

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                                      • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                                        Usborne released a bunch of their old 80s programming books for free a while back, and they're all just a gem:

                                        Link Preview Image
                                        Computer and coding books from Usborne | Usborne | Be Curious

                                        Usborne children's coding books for a new generation

                                        favicon

                                        (usborne.com)

                                        flxtr@social.tchncs.deF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #31

                                        @foone For non-us users: the site is guessing your country and redirects to 404 page, if guess != "us" 🙄 But it's not geo fencing. You need to pick en-us at the home page and then request the above URL again. 😬

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                                        • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                                          what are we even doing here man

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                                          @foone hey I know arrays! I can do big ones, small ones, multidimensional ones. I also know variables and indentation!!! Hire me!!!!!!!!

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