Sums up my experience growing up
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Sums up my experience growing up
It is really an old story. Money doesn't just talk it dictates.
Using the propaganda model...news businesses favoring profit over the public interest succeed, whilst those favoring reportorial accuracy over profits fail — and are relegated to the margins of their markets (low sales and ratings).
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent:_The_Political_Economy_of_the_Mass_Media)
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@ilovecomputers speaking of cutting up good paper to sell back as pulp...
you think you're making a joke, but this is how International Paper gets the recycled percentage they claim. they send pallets of new reams by the truckload to be broken open and rebaled as consumer waste, which is then sold back to them for a small fee.
@bweller This sounds both terrifying and a familiar behavior, I'm curious about this process, would you have a source at hand? For reasons exposed in the original post, I'm afraid a web search won't cut it. -
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@ilovecomputers This hits home hard, as I for with almost anything, from programming to learning Linux and all, there was very little resources in the early 90s. After learning the first steps of Linux from a booklet that came with the Walnut Creek CDROMs, it was almost insane that 5 years later you could just use Altavista to find help for your problems and discover someone's Geocities site on how to put Linux in a certain laptop and have all the devices working.
My distaste for the current state of the Internet is very hard to put in words without it being mostly swearing. I also mourn the death of actual web sites and how all the nuggets of information are nowdays social media posts, that do not get archived the same way as bare web sites were. SEO gives me the most unadulterated feelings of rage as it makes web search completely pointless chore.
If things weren't bad enough, the LLM generated web sites may start as a promising lead on something, but need to be quickly scanned through first so they don't end up just being pointless suggestions that end with "if things won't work for you, buy our Wonder Repair product".
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@bweller This sounds both terrifying and a familiar behavior, I'm curious about this process, would you have a source at hand? For reasons exposed in the original post, I'm afraid a web search won't cut it.
@hypolite nope, because I'm a primary source
i did this for them*, at a company they hired
as in, i could testify in court and discovery would show my employment and records would show the loads we took in and out
*i wasnt management, and I only worked there briefly
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Any recommendations?
I agree that the web is usable and pretty nice using RSS to follow blogs. I also love blogs with a comment section with the same community of people discussing the topic.
What I miss somewhat are dedicated web forums that are active. Something like Head-fi and Steve Hoffman's forum for music.
I wish for forums like that for other topics, as well.
https://ourfavoritevoid.club/directory is a webring for smolweb peeps that like to blog (or like black cats, or both)! Check out some of the folx there! We've also an old-school phpbb forum, but unfortunately would probably not qualify for your definition of "active."
https://32bit.cafe is just fantastic, too. Lots of tutorials and smallweb denizens to connect with.
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@ilovecomputers - When Yahoo bought Geocities for the sole purpose of shutting it down, that's when I knew it was over.
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@ilovecomputers
But the library of Alexandria still exists.
And social media is toxic whether it's algorithmic or not (source: fedi). -
@mutkitta Look up:
https://melonland.net/ and its forums - plus all the "handy links" on the page
https://www.naiveweekly.com/ (yes I know it's based on Substack)
Good Internet
A magazine for the non-corporate and independent web, use of code as an art medium, and web development enthusiasm of hobbyists and professionals alike.
Good Internet (goodinternetmagazine.com)
Browse some webrings: https://brisray.com/web/webring-list.htm
@sarajw
Adding to this: https://ooh.directory/
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Any recommendations?
I agree that the web is usable and pretty nice using RSS to follow blogs. I also love blogs with a comment section with the same community of people discussing the topic.
What I miss somewhat are dedicated web forums that are active. Something like Head-fi and Steve Hoffman's forum for music.
I wish for forums like that for other topics, as well.
@mutkitta @triptych @ilovecomputers Here’s a ton of resources for discovering indieweb stuff out there on the web - https://shellsharks.com/indieweb. Happy surfing!
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@ilovecomputers Come to Project Gemini, we have ASCII art
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@ilovecomputers And the reason for all of this is "Monetization".
Things used to be different because people put stuff on the internet because they wanted other people to see it, not to sell it.
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@mutkitta Look up:
https://melonland.net/ and its forums - plus all the "handy links" on the page
https://www.naiveweekly.com/ (yes I know it's based on Substack)
Good Internet
A magazine for the non-corporate and independent web, use of code as an art medium, and web development enthusiasm of hobbyists and professionals alike.
Good Internet (goodinternetmagazine.com)
Browse some webrings: https://brisray.com/web/webring-list.htm
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People using their real names and faces
Governments wanting to control it
Corporations flooding itJust a few things from the top of my head that made it all go to shit
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@ilovecomputers I feel this in every fiber of my being. I weep for every generation that has come after me that they will never know the peace of just getting to be without being tracked, monetized and fed into a perpetual rage machine.
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Andrew Wooldridge ⛰️ (@triptych@social.lol)
@ilovecomputers@xoxo.zone I feel like the core of what we loved about the internet is there - it's hiding in chat rooms, little closed member forums, hand crafted websites. It's not gone, just harder to see, but if you dig through the muck, you find yourself in a small meadow with a few other folks who might share with you something good.
social.lol (social.lol)
To be less of a downer, I want to pin this reply thread on this post as it contains links to indie websites and communities that continue to live on. It’s not just nostalgia; even amongst the next generation, there’s growing enthusiasm for slow tech.
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@ilovecomputers fr. that said - look up web revival
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@ilovecomputers fr. that said - look up web revival
@hell and yesterweb
and indie web
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@hell and yesterweb
and indie web
and slow web@ilovecomputers oooooooo
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@mutkitta @triptych @ilovecomputers Here’s a ton of resources for discovering indieweb stuff out there on the web - https://shellsharks.com/indieweb. Happy surfing!
@shellsharks @mutkitta @triptych @ilovecomputers hum, cool and thanks
I've just finished update my website ( https://benjamim.neocities.org )with humans.txt and robots.txt -
Sums up my experience growing up
@ilovecomputers This is the experience of the new "Lost Generation".
What's more crazy is knowing how deeply the media we consume shapes and informs us, and thinking about what teens and 20s today are growing up with. X_X
(I guess to be fair... What all of us are continuing to grow up with... But yeah, earlier formative experiences, chances to connect with people who expand your horizon, etc... dang)
