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It's amazing how fast attitudes to security in the industry has changed.

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  • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

    It's amazing how fast attitudes to security in the industry has changed. Like, I remember in 2023ish spending a while working on a system to securely trigger remote builds, because we couldn't have our slack chatbots on the same network as our Jenkins server

    And in 2026 they just give a 3rd party LLM write access to both + the git repo

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    @foone but on the other hand the regulators still haven't read the correct horse battery staple XKCD cartoon and still demand stupid passwords that everyone forgets.

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    • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

      It's amazing how fast attitudes to security in the industry has changed. Like, I remember in 2023ish spending a while working on a system to securely trigger remote builds, because we couldn't have our slack chatbots on the same network as our Jenkins server

      And in 2026 they just give a 3rd party LLM write access to both + the git repo

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      @foone How long until I can find sensitive government & corporate computers exposed to the Internet by wardialing again? Maybe malicious actors can start asking company chatbots to open telnet ports.

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      • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

        It's amazing how fast attitudes to security in the industry has changed. Like, I remember in 2023ish spending a while working on a system to securely trigger remote builds, because we couldn't have our slack chatbots on the same network as our Jenkins server

        And in 2026 they just give a 3rd party LLM write access to both + the git repo

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        @foone people stopped caring. this is what 'work alienation' does to 'the work'. it removes the craft, the skill. workers are swapped out like Legos before they become invested in the work, before they become expensive.

        the quality stops mattering, because the company will stop existing in 5 years, when guarantees turn into lawsuits.

        funds are received to start projects, but every one leaves before the finish. no one is responsible. no one cares.

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        • wtrmt@mastodon.socialW wtrmt@mastodon.social

          @foone I used to work for a bank with a huge security overhead. The machines that everyone used had quite a few limitations due to security. Windows 11 w Copilot must have them like the Chihuahua from Ren & Stimpy

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          @wtrmt @foone

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          • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

            It's amazing how fast attitudes to security in the industry has changed. Like, I remember in 2023ish spending a while working on a system to securely trigger remote builds, because we couldn't have our slack chatbots on the same network as our Jenkins server

            And in 2026 they just give a 3rd party LLM write access to both + the git repo

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            @foone Just like a lot of other stuff, once they didn't have to make an effort to care they immediately stopped.

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            • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

              It's amazing how fast attitudes to security in the industry has changed. Like, I remember in 2023ish spending a while working on a system to securely trigger remote builds, because we couldn't have our slack chatbots on the same network as our Jenkins server

              And in 2026 they just give a 3rd party LLM write access to both + the git repo

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              @foone the ai companies present it all as a neck or nothing kind of thing. And that horrifies me. I used to be the CTO for a federal contractor. We did facilities management. And I could never imagine a fairly independent program having access to say our contracts, some of which were for classified projects. If you were an OpenAI sales rep and proposed that to me, you would be escorted out of my office. But people are doing it!!! For some goddammed unknown reason.

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              • praetor@mstdn.socialP praetor@mstdn.social

                @foone the ai companies present it all as a neck or nothing kind of thing. And that horrifies me. I used to be the CTO for a federal contractor. We did facilities management. And I could never imagine a fairly independent program having access to say our contracts, some of which were for classified projects. If you were an OpenAI sales rep and proposed that to me, you would be escorted out of my office. But people are doing it!!! For some goddammed unknown reason.

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                @praetor @foone oh the reason is probably not that unknown. They want your money.

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                • zlatko@social.zlatko.devZ zlatko@social.zlatko.dev

                  @praetor @foone oh the reason is probably not that unknown. They want your money.

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                  @zlatko @foone Well, that is fairly obvious. But I don't know if you've ever done government work, but the data is far more valuable. And if you have a breach of classified data...you're done. You're toast.

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                  • tijn@dosgame.clubT tijn@dosgame.club

                    @foone I love this sort of stuff tbh. Just like NFTs, it's great to have a filter like this that clearly shows who's actually nuts and who isn't.

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                    @Tijn @foone I don’t like the data that’s emerging, though.

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                    • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                      hacking a computer program pretending to be a human is like some weird neo-victorian parlor game in The Diamond Age

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                      @foone thankfully, we all agree that it would be a terrible idea to make anything from Neil Stephenson books real.

                      …right?

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                        @foone thankfully, we all agree that it would be a terrible idea to make anything from Neil Stephenson books real.

                        …right?

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                        @foone …sorry, it just hit me that they've done *three* of them now. Cryptonomicon, Snow Crash, The Diamond Age: crypto, metaverse, AI.

                        Why is our society run by people who think the Torment Nexus sounds neat?

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                        • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                          if I can convince your chatbox to add a new dependency to your software and push a new version to prod, it's just not worth my time to bother

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                          @foone@digipres.club at this point i just laugh at the absurdity of it all, companies basically scrambling to put the world's most trusting doorman in front of all their sensitive tech and all you need now is a "pwetty pwease ​​"

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                          • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                            I have SEPARATE TOOLS and TECHNIQUES for hacking humans and computer hardware and computer software. Mixing them up is just wrong and unfun.

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                              @Jenetrix nice!

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                              • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                                @Jenetrix nice!

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                                @Jenetrix@shrimp.creatures.club @foone@digipres.club

                                it is kind of amazing how chill the industry is with giving models designed to generate and run unauditable code based on arbitrary unsanitized user input access to… well anything, really

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