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Inside: Europe takes a big step towards a post-dollar world; and more!
Archived at: https://pluralistic.net/2026/02/11/post-dollar-world/
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Didn't know about this new 'EuroPA' system, seems it comes at the perfect time.
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Today's threads (a thread)
Inside: Europe takes a big step towards a post-dollar world; and more!
Archived at: https://pluralistic.net/2026/02/11/post-dollar-world/
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@pluralistic The Wero system is a rebrand of the existing Dutch iDeal system.
iDeal was created by a consortium of the Dutch banks under pressure from online retailers (ca. 2005). iDeal accounts for the vast majority of all online sales in NL.
Ever since my father had a restaurant I've hated credit-cards. For a small business, they skimmed 4 to 7% of sales and had all kinds of stupid demands (must display/advertise for the card, cannot demand a surplus for paying with CC...)Filing Wero next to bankcard payments everywhere, no roaming fees for mobile, no border checks, etc. in Europe
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@pluralistic The Wero system is a rebrand of the existing Dutch iDeal system.
iDeal was created by a consortium of the Dutch banks under pressure from online retailers (ca. 2005). iDeal accounts for the vast majority of all online sales in NL.
Ever since my father had a restaurant I've hated credit-cards. For a small business, they skimmed 4 to 7% of sales and had all kinds of stupid demands (must display/advertise for the card, cannot demand a surplus for paying with CC...)Filing Wero next to bankcard payments everywhere, no roaming fees for mobile, no border checks, etc. in Europe
@brnrd @pluralistic but its Smartphone only, App only. So its a NoGo!
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@brnrd @pluralistic but its Smartphone only, App only. So its a NoGo!
@schnedan @pluralistic
Depends on your bank. There are no iDeal or Wero apps. Online shop make you select your bank from a list. Whatever the bank's way of authorizing the payment is works.
Banks requiring an App (and a smartphone) is an issue, but a separate one. -
Today's threads (a thread)
Inside: Europe takes a big step towards a post-dollar world; and more!
Archived at: https://pluralistic.net/2026/02/11/post-dollar-world/
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@pluralistic@mamot.fr If it wasn't so tragic, it'd be funny that a bunch of butthurt "conservatives" claiming to want to make America great again instead accelerated its decline and irrelevancy.
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@schnedan @pluralistic
Depends on your bank. There are no iDeal or Wero apps. Online shop make you select your bank from a list. Whatever the bank's way of authorizing the payment is works.
Banks requiring an App (and a smartphone) is an issue, but a separate one.@brnrd @schnedan @pluralistic Can confirm. I can handle small payments (with a self-imposed limit) from my Dutch bank (ASN) via the web browser on my PC.
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@pluralistic The Wero system is a rebrand of the existing Dutch iDeal system.
iDeal was created by a consortium of the Dutch banks under pressure from online retailers (ca. 2005). iDeal accounts for the vast majority of all online sales in NL.
Ever since my father had a restaurant I've hated credit-cards. For a small business, they skimmed 4 to 7% of sales and had all kinds of stupid demands (must display/advertise for the card, cannot demand a surplus for paying with CC...)Filing Wero next to bankcard payments everywhere, no roaming fees for mobile, no border checks, etc. in Europe
@brnrd Too bad it's only coming to like five countries or so. I guess they intend to expand eventually, but I'm expecting hard resistance from Swedish banks that are locked into the proprietary Swish (owned by Swedish banks).
Not that Wero is open either, but at least it's part of the EC-backed EPI.
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@brnrd @schnedan @pluralistic Can confirm. I can handle small payments (with a self-imposed limit) from my Dutch bank (ASN) via the web browser on my PC.
@jurjen_heeck @brnrd @pluralistic sounds good... I am not aware of any app free German bank
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@jurjen_heeck @brnrd @pluralistic sounds good... I am not aware of any app free German bank
@schnedan Unfortunately my bank isn't really app free but I do not need their app for everything. @brnrd @pluralistic
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@pluralistic The Wero system is a rebrand of the existing Dutch iDeal system.
iDeal was created by a consortium of the Dutch banks under pressure from online retailers (ca. 2005). iDeal accounts for the vast majority of all online sales in NL.
Ever since my father had a restaurant I've hated credit-cards. For a small business, they skimmed 4 to 7% of sales and had all kinds of stupid demands (must display/advertise for the card, cannot demand a surplus for paying with CC...)Filing Wero next to bankcard payments everywhere, no roaming fees for mobile, no border checks, etc. in Europe
@brnrd @pluralistic I was going to mention the same thing. Credit card use in the Netherlands is AFAIK far less than US or UK because debit cards and online payments just work. I was appalled when I moved to the UK to discover people were pushed onto credit cards as the only way to build up a credit rating (another perverse system outcome).
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