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  • walrus@toot.walesW walrus@toot.wales

    @Edent

    Perhaps Palantir have given Streeting a big lump of money, and told him they don't like open source?

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    #15

    @Walrus

    An overly-cynical take maybe, but open source and open data was heavily promoted at a time when public sector data and code was largely locked away in organisational silos.

    Today, alongside open repositories, those assets reside on US-owned cloud platforms (accessible under the Cloud Act) and is routinely shared with analytics specialists like Palantir under contract

    If those actors already have access then there is some monopoly benefit in denying access to everyone else.

    @Edent

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    • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

      As I say in the post, if you're in the UK *please* write to your MP about this.

      Don't just pontificate online. Write a short email to your MP and tell them you disagree with NHS England's decision to shut down all their Open Source code.

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      @Edent although I no longer live in the UK, as a citizen I still elect my MP, so later today I will write to them about it

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      • q@glauca.spaceQ q@glauca.space

        @Edent although I no longer live in the UK, as a citizen I still elect my MP, so later today I will write to them about it

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        @q Much appreciated!

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        • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

          As I say in the post, if you're in the UK *please* write to your MP about this.

          Don't just pontificate online. Write a short email to your MP and tell them you disagree with NHS England's decision to shut down all their Open Source code.

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          #18

          @Edent is this something where non English MPs would still be able to help as it will be devolved?

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          • otfrom@functional.cafeO otfrom@functional.cafe

            @Edent is this something where non English MPs would still be able to help as it will be devolved?

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            @otfrom I do not know. Health is devolved but, on some matters, they do take the lead from their colleagues in England.
            I suggest writing to both your MP and MSP 😀

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            • walrus@toot.walesW walrus@toot.wales

              @Edent

              Perhaps Palantir have given Streeting a big lump of money, and told him they don't like open source?

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              #20

              @Walrus conspiratorial thinking rarely helps. You can peruse his entry in the Register of Members' Interests if you want to look for evidence.

              The truth is likely to be much less exciting - I suspect a manager somewhere has gotten spooked & thinks this will help.

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              • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                🆕 blog! “NHS Goes To War Against Open Source”

                The NHS is preparing to close nearly all of its Open Source repositories.

                Throughout my time working for the UK Government - in GDS, NHSX, i.AI, and others - I championed Open Source. I spoke to dozens of departments about it, wrote guidance still in use today, and briefed Ministers on why it was so…

                👀 Read more: https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2026/05/nhs-goes-to-war-against-open-source/
                ⸻
                #government #nhs #OpenSource #politics

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                “There are thousands of NHS repositories on GitHub. The work undertaken to assess all of them and then close them will be massive. And for what?”

                “Even if we ignore the impracticality of closing all the code - it is too late! All that code has already been slurped up. If Mythos really is the ultimate hacker, hiding the code now does nothing. It has likely already retained copies of the repositories.”
                ”And if it were both practical and effective to hide source code - that doesn't matter. These AI tools are just as effective against closed-source. They can analyse binaries and probe websites with ease.”
                “There are tens of thousands of NHS website pages which refer to their GitHub repos - will they all need to be updated? What's the cost of that?”

                @Edent

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                • nicol@social.coopN nicol@social.coop

                  “There are thousands of NHS repositories on GitHub. The work undertaken to assess all of them and then close them will be massive. And for what?”

                  “Even if we ignore the impracticality of closing all the code - it is too late! All that code has already been slurped up. If Mythos really is the ultimate hacker, hiding the code now does nothing. It has likely already retained copies of the repositories.”
                  ”And if it were both practical and effective to hide source code - that doesn't matter. These AI tools are just as effective against closed-source. They can analyse binaries and probe websites with ease.”
                  “There are tens of thousands of NHS website pages which refer to their GitHub repos - will they all need to be updated? What's the cost of that?”

                  @Edent

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                  #22

                  “I've no idea what led to NHS England making this retrograde decision - so I've send a Freedom of Information request to find out.
                  I am convinced that closing all their excellent open source work is the wrong move for the NHS. I hope they see sense and reverse course.”
                  “Until then, I've helped make sure that every single NHS repository has been backed up and, because the software licence permits it, can be re-published if the original is closed.”
                  👏👏 @Edent

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                  • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                    @otfrom I do not know. Health is devolved but, on some matters, they do take the lead from their colleagues in England.
                    I suggest writing to both your MP and MSP 😀

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                    #23

                    @Edent I'll see what I can do. I'll have some new MSPs next week

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                    • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                      🆕 blog! “NHS Goes To War Against Open Source”

                      The NHS is preparing to close nearly all of its Open Source repositories.

                      Throughout my time working for the UK Government - in GDS, NHSX, i.AI, and others - I championed Open Source. I spoke to dozens of departments about it, wrote guidance still in use today, and briefed Ministers on why it was so…

                      👀 Read more: https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2026/05/nhs-goes-to-war-against-open-source/
                      ⸻
                      #government #nhs #OpenSource #politics

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                      #24

                      @Edent this will be the Palantir influence. Disgraceful and sad.

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                      • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                        🆕 blog! “NHS Goes To War Against Open Source”

                        The NHS is preparing to close nearly all of its Open Source repositories.

                        Throughout my time working for the UK Government - in GDS, NHSX, i.AI, and others - I championed Open Source. I spoke to dozens of departments about it, wrote guidance still in use today, and briefed Ministers on why it was so…

                        👀 Read more: https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2026/05/nhs-goes-to-war-against-open-source/
                        ⸻
                        #government #nhs #OpenSource #politics

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                        @Edent

                        #TranslatedFromTheRepublican

                        "NHS sides with Trump billionaires to increase dependency on ghouls like Peter Thiel, despite national security risks & associations with Jeffrey Epstein.

                        National Security Vulnerabilities deliberately promoted."

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                        What is Palantir? The US analytics firm behind the £330m NHS data platform

                        The US data analytics company plays a central role in the NHS’s £330 million Federated Data Platform

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                        Labour and Lib Dem MPs demand ‘shameful’ Palantir NHS contract be scrapped

                        Spy-tech company and founder Peter Thiel should ‘have their hands ripped off our NHS’, say MPs

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                        Palantir defends its record as MP demands more scrutiny of data use

                        NHS guidance that all hospitals should be using Palantir software from this month has sparked a backlash.

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                        (www.bbc.com)

                        https://www.ft.com/content/1ac7a046-329c-4036-b01e-f2291dde28ca
                        https://archive.ph/rFIqN

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                        Alarm in health service over Palantir staff being given NHS email accounts

                        Exclusive: Sources believe AI tech company’s engineers have been granted access to directory of up to 1.5m staff

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                        the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)

                        Cautionary Tale: Trump orders access denials
                        https://www.theguardian.com/law/2026/feb/18/international-criminal-court-icc-judges-trump-sanctions

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                        The networker: Microsoft shutting down email accounts of ...

                        The commercial interests of US tech giants have fused with the country’s national interests. We’re about to find out what ‘digital sovereignty’ really means

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                        The Observer (observer.co.uk)

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                        • ninestonesclose@mastodon.socialN ninestonesclose@mastodon.social

                          @Edent this will be the Palantir influence. Disgraceful and sad.

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                          @NineStonesClose no. This is about source code and security. Not datasets.

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                          • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                            @Edent

                            #TranslatedFromTheRepublican

                            "NHS sides with Trump billionaires to increase dependency on ghouls like Peter Thiel, despite national security risks & associations with Jeffrey Epstein.

                            National Security Vulnerabilities deliberately promoted."

                            Link Preview Image
                            What is Palantir? The US analytics firm behind the £330m NHS data platform

                            The US data analytics company plays a central role in the NHS’s £330 million Federated Data Platform

                            favicon

                            The Independent (www.independent.co.uk)

                            Link Preview Image
                            Labour and Lib Dem MPs demand ‘shameful’ Palantir NHS contract be scrapped

                            Spy-tech company and founder Peter Thiel should ‘have their hands ripped off our NHS’, say MPs

                            favicon

                            the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)

                            Link Preview Image
                            Palantir defends its record as MP demands more scrutiny of data use

                            NHS guidance that all hospitals should be using Palantir software from this month has sparked a backlash.

                            favicon

                            (www.bbc.com)

                            https://www.ft.com/content/1ac7a046-329c-4036-b01e-f2291dde28ca
                            https://archive.ph/rFIqN

                            Link Preview Image
                            Alarm in health service over Palantir staff being given NHS email accounts

                            Exclusive: Sources believe AI tech company’s engineers have been granted access to directory of up to 1.5m staff

                            favicon

                            the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)

                            Cautionary Tale: Trump orders access denials
                            https://www.theguardian.com/law/2026/feb/18/international-criminal-court-icc-judges-trump-sanctions

                            Link Preview Image
                            The networker: Microsoft shutting down email accounts of ...

                            The commercial interests of US tech giants have fused with the country’s national interests. We’re about to find out what ‘digital sovereignty’ really means

                            favicon

                            The Observer (observer.co.uk)

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                            @Npars01 I'm not a Republican.
                            This isn't about access to data. It is about source code security.

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                            • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                              @Npars01 I'm not a Republican.
                              This isn't about access to data. It is about source code security.

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                              @Edent

                              Forgive my snarky remarks.

                              My hashtag isn't directed at your post but at the public officials fostering these policies of obsequious compliance.

                              The moneyed interests behind deliberate source code insecurity policies have their own agenda.

                              Security of data and data sovereignty are threats to those interests.

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                              • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                                @NineStonesClose no. This is about source code and security. Not datasets.

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                                @Edent true, but I do wonder what influence they are having on other areas now their evil foot is in the door. Still very sad to see this, it’s a shame that open source is not even more valued in these times.

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                                • ninestonesclose@mastodon.socialN ninestonesclose@mastodon.social

                                  @Edent true, but I do wonder what influence they are having on other areas now their evil foot is in the door. Still very sad to see this, it’s a shame that open source is not even more valued in these times.

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                                  @NineStonesClose as I say in the post, you should write to your MP about the matter. Let them know how you feel about it.

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                                  • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                                    @Edent

                                    Forgive my snarky remarks.

                                    My hashtag isn't directed at your post but at the public officials fostering these policies of obsequious compliance.

                                    The moneyed interests behind deliberate source code insecurity policies have their own agenda.

                                    Security of data and data sovereignty are threats to those interests.

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                                    @Npars01 understood. But we don't have Republicans in the UK (other than the anti-monarchy lot).

                                    What did your MP say when you wrote to them about it?

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                                    • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                                      As I say in the post, if you're in the UK *please* write to your MP about this.

                                      Don't just pontificate online. Write a short email to your MP and tell them you disagree with NHS England's decision to shut down all their Open Source code.

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                                      @Edent email and SMS done...

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                                      • damonhd@mastodon.socialD damonhd@mastodon.social

                                        @Edent email and SMS done...

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                                        @DamonHD much obliged!

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                                        • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                                          🆕 blog! “NHS Goes To War Against Open Source”

                                          The NHS is preparing to close nearly all of its Open Source repositories.

                                          Throughout my time working for the UK Government - in GDS, NHSX, i.AI, and others - I championed Open Source. I spoke to dozens of departments about it, wrote guidance still in use today, and briefed Ministers on why it was so…

                                          👀 Read more: https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2026/05/nhs-goes-to-war-against-open-source/
                                          ⸻
                                          #government #nhs #OpenSource #politics

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                                          #34

                                          @Edent this is huge

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