Six years ago today, after 19 years with Boing Boing, during which time I wrote tens of thousands of blog posts, I started a new, solo blog, with the semi-ironic name "Pluralistic."
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@pluralistic That they can make mistakes doesn't make them useless. That idiots can use them in stupid ways doesn't make them useless. That bastards can use them in evil ways doesn't make them useless.
@bencurthoys the problem is not their usefulness, the problem is that they are a dick move.
'AI' is a dick move, redux
Writing at the end of the world, from Hveragerði, Iceland
(www.baldurbjarnason.com)
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Now it's AI. But those bubbles were like Enron, frauds that left nothing good behind. AI is like the dotcom bubble, awash in sin and inflicting untold misery, but it will leave something useful behind:
And when it does, I'll make sense of it on this blog.
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@pluralistic Your writing making sense of things is exactly why I look forward eagerly to every Pluralistic installment. Thank you, Mr. Doctorow.
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@bencurthoys the problem is not their usefulness, the problem is that they are a dick move.
'AI' is a dick move, redux
Writing at the end of the world, from Hveragerði, Iceland
(www.baldurbjarnason.com)
so were:
* rocketry
* the double-helix structure of DNA
* Unix
* SMB
* packet-switching
* silicon transistors
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@pluralistic Your writing making sense of things is exactly why I look forward eagerly to every Pluralistic installment. Thank you, Mr. Doctorow.
@grheavyroller Aw, thanks.
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@jawarajabbi @pluralistic Cory is not viewed kindly by many marginalized communities. Threads like this, where he advocates using fashtech are evidence of why. I would suggest if you care to actually see what dissenters say about him, as white people we need to get better about listening to communities of color about these white dude self-appointed 'saviors' who dismiss the concerns of those most impacted by these tech decisions.
@reflex @jawarajabbi @pluralistic
I hope you see the irony in appointing yourself the spokesperson for "marginalized communities" and " communities of color" to disparage someone who works very hard to encourage the opening of technology to all. -
@reflex @jawarajabbi @pluralistic
I hope you see the irony in appointing yourself the spokesperson for "marginalized communities" and " communities of color" to disparage someone who works very hard to encourage the opening of technology to all.@qole @jawarajabbi @pluralistic I'm comfortable repeating what I've been told, over and over. Cory is a wealthy white dude who consistently promotes harmful technology, such as Kagi and in this thread, LLMs. If you think it's wrong to call him out for that, well, you do you.
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@qole @jawarajabbi @pluralistic I'm comfortable repeating what I've been told, over and over. Cory is a wealthy white dude who consistently promotes harmful technology, such as Kagi and in this thread, LLMs. If you think it's wrong to call him out for that, well, you do you.
@reflex @jawarajabbi @pluralistic
1) Rather than saying, "I've been told," I suggest linking to first-person criticisms from marginalized people.
2) Please research Cory's ethnicity before referring to him as a "white guy," because it's kind of embarrassing to use the race card in this case. -
@reflex @jawarajabbi @pluralistic
1) Rather than saying, "I've been told," I suggest linking to first-person criticisms from marginalized people.
2) Please research Cory's ethnicity before referring to him as a "white guy," because it's kind of embarrassing to use the race card in this case.@qole @jawarajabbi @pluralistic Um, per wiki his family is Ukranian/Russian/Romanian, which I'm pretty sure is 'white' in most cultural contexts.
And secondly I'm not your personal search engine and I don't build a ton of links to the criticisms, but you can feel free to do the work. As mentioned, my specific criticisms here stand on their own, he's recommending technology that is harmful, and has ignored pleas to stop for years.
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so were:
* rocketry
* the double-helix structure of DNA
* Unix
* SMB
* packet-switching
* silicon transistors
@pluralistic not sure you’re really adressing @baldur’s critique here. Nobody’s talking about the creators of the tech (which Altman and al. are not), but the persons *profiting* from it.
I’m not refusing to use a Tesla because the inventor of the electric car was a jerk, but because Musk is, and by using one, I’m empowering him.
But that’s only part of the equation. Who and how are created SLM ? Which impact does they have on cognition, jobs, education etc. -
@pluralistic not sure you’re really adressing @baldur’s critique here. Nobody’s talking about the creators of the tech (which Altman and al. are not), but the persons *profiting* from it.
I’m not refusing to use a Tesla because the inventor of the electric car was a jerk, but because Musk is, and by using one, I’m empowering him.
But that’s only part of the equation. Who and how are created SLM ? Which impact does they have on cognition, jobs, education etc.“AI itself is a normal technology” so is nuclear power. And yes, arguably nuclear does have an interesting net benefit use (that’s a debate for another time
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@pluralistic not sure you’re really adressing @baldur’s critique here. Nobody’s talking about the creators of the tech (which Altman and al. are not), but the persons *profiting* from it.
I’m not refusing to use a Tesla because the inventor of the electric car was a jerk, but because Musk is, and by using one, I’m empowering him.
But that’s only part of the equation. Who and how are created SLM ? Which impact does they have on cognition, jobs, education etc.@ced @baldur @bencurthoys No one profits from you running an OSS model on your own computer.
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@ced @baldur @bencurthoys No one profits from you running an OSS model on your own computer.
@pluralistic depends on the bias embedded in your OSS model. And no, it being OSS doesn’t mean you can “open it” or fix it.
Anyway “But that’s only part of the equation. Who and how are created SLM ? Which impact does they have on cognition, jobs, education etc.”
Sure, using a LLM spell checker doesn’t look like much. Once you have it, though, it will be soooo tempting to use it more and more.
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@pluralistic depends on the bias embedded in your OSS model. And no, it being OSS doesn’t mean you can “open it” or fix it.
Anyway “But that’s only part of the equation. Who and how are created SLM ? Which impact does they have on cognition, jobs, education etc.”
Sure, using a LLM spell checker doesn’t look like much. Once you have it, though, it will be soooo tempting to use it more and more.
Checking your own work for punctuation errors doesn't have an impact on "cognition, jobs, education, etc."
As to tempting: I have had a grammar checker in my word-processor for at least a decade and have literally never once been tempted to use it.
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Checking your own work for punctuation errors doesn't have an impact on "cognition, jobs, education, etc."
As to tempting: I have had a grammar checker in my word-processor for at least a decade and have literally never once been tempted to use it.
Also: what do you imagine "bias" means when you're talking about identifying missing punctuation marks or repeated words?
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Also: what do you imagine "bias" means when you're talking about identifying missing punctuation marks or repeated words?
@pluralistic @ced @bencurthoys I didn’t ask to get included in whatever it is you two are hashing out but I’d appreciate if you tagged me out of it in the future.
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@pluralistic @ced @bencurthoys I didn’t ask to get included in whatever it is you two are hashing out but I’d appreciate if you tagged me out of it in the future.
@baldur sorry about that !@pluralistic @bencurthoys
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Checking your own work for punctuation errors doesn't have an impact on "cognition, jobs, education, etc."
As to tempting: I have had a grammar checker in my word-processor for at least a decade and have literally never once been tempted to use it.
ok, that was a “general” you, not a “you” you. Foreign language and all.
I mean, once you (not *you*) have an LLM in your text editor, it’ll be tempting to ask him to aid in research, then to aid in writing, then to write for you, or do your homework for you.
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That's how we make good tech: not by insisting all its inputs be free from sin, but by purging that wickedness by *liberating* the technology from its monstrous forebears and making free and open versions of it:
Purity culture is such an obvious trap, an artifact of the neoliberal ideology that insists that the solution to all our problems is to shop very carefully, thus reducing all politics to personal consumption choices:
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@pluralistic I am going to put my response simply.
WE DO NOT OPEN SOURCE THE IRON MADEN.
