Growing up now is growing up online.
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Growing up now is growing up online.
Young people in Europe spend much of their lives in digital spaces where they connect, learn and express themselves.
But they can also face risks like cyberbullying, disinformation and harmful content.
We want to ensure a safer online environment for them:
The Digital Services ActThe EU Action against cyberbullyingMental health supportThe EU strategy on child sexual abuse onlineAge-appropriate protections@EUCommission no. We have parental controls. Age verification is rubbish.
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@EUCommission Everything we do happens online, so you want to force everyone at every time to be tracked and monitored when they are online. It’s like having you in my letters, my drawers, my tv, my attic. That does not make me feel safe. It makes me feel like I’m in a fascist sci-fi nightmare. It’s always “the poor children” before they come for your fundamental human rights.
@Karolina @EUCommission I agree, I often use the comparaison of "Would you like a government official in your bedroom at all times?" -> "No, but..." -> "There you go".
The answer is usually "But it's not the same!!!".
Right, the only difference is one sees you for sure, while the other might or might not see you. -
@Karolina @EUCommission I agree, I often use the comparaison of "Would you like a government official in your bedroom at all times?" -> "No, but..." -> "There you go".
The answer is usually "But it's not the same!!!".
Right, the only difference is one sees you for sure, while the other might or might not see you.@Karolina @EUCommission That being said, let's make one thing very clear, it has nothing to do with fascism.
Surveillance lies in both extremes of the political spectrum.
I wouldn't exactly call the UK, France and China fascist states, but the surveillance there is very real and the UK and France don't even fall in the extremes, actually they're not even right wing right now, but it's a fact that these two are the most surveiled Western European countries. -
Growing up now is growing up online.
Young people in Europe spend much of their lives in digital spaces where they connect, learn and express themselves.
But they can also face risks like cyberbullying, disinformation and harmful content.
We want to ensure a safer online environment for them:
The Digital Services ActThe EU Action against cyberbullyingMental health supportThe EU strategy on child sexual abuse onlineAge-appropriate protections -
Growing up now is growing up online.
Young people in Europe spend much of their lives in digital spaces where they connect, learn and express themselves.
But they can also face risks like cyberbullying, disinformation and harmful content.
We want to ensure a safer online environment for them:
The Digital Services ActThe EU Action against cyberbullyingMental health supportThe EU strategy on child sexual abuse onlineAge-appropriate protections@EUCommission you are so dishonest all the time, it's nauseating
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Growing up now is growing up online.
Young people in Europe spend much of their lives in digital spaces where they connect, learn and express themselves.
But they can also face risks like cyberbullying, disinformation and harmful content.
We want to ensure a safer online environment for them:
The Digital Services ActThe EU Action against cyberbullyingMental health supportThe EU strategy on child sexual abuse onlineAge-appropriate protections@EUCommission
your implementation to implement age verification, which means identification of **everyone**. (to prevent "child sexual abuse"), is a terrible idea... -
Growing up now is growing up online.
Young people in Europe spend much of their lives in digital spaces where they connect, learn and express themselves.
But they can also face risks like cyberbullying, disinformation and harmful content.
We want to ensure a safer online environment for them:
The Digital Services ActThe EU Action against cyberbullyingMental health supportThe EU strategy on child sexual abuse onlineAge-appropriate protections@EUCommission the parents of children need to take responsibility too by educating them well, and to teach the proper norms and values. Folks online also should play a role in this by being friendly and behaving decent. It takes a village to raise a child, in the physical world right, so why not in the digital world. Also, children should be able to make mistakes even online.
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Growing up now is growing up online.
Young people in Europe spend much of their lives in digital spaces where they connect, learn and express themselves.
But they can also face risks like cyberbullying, disinformation and harmful content.
We want to ensure a safer online environment for them:
The Digital Services ActThe EU Action against cyberbullyingMental health supportThe EU strategy on child sexual abuse onlineAge-appropriate protections>Age-appropriate protections
This sounds way too much like "we know tobacco products are designed to be more addictive than necessary, so we're banning their sale from under 18 year olds".
Please consider that everyone wants a safe environment, and you can't just let social media companies act predatory because all the victims are of voting age.
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@notsoloud @DrJLecter @EUCommission Banning advertising wouldn't solve brain rot, the problem doesn't lie in the advertising part, it lies with the network itself.
@mttn brain rot content is not something unique, it has always been there. Arguably it is one of byproducts of growing up. Take the commercialization out of the equation, let parents do the actual parenting and kids will be okay.
We survived meaningless flash games, dumb music videos, weird console games (and arcade games before that), eurobeat music (and also rap, disco and whatever else that actually feels like AI slop before AI was even invented), meaningless comics and stupid fandoms. Most of us were happy doing that.
What I do see as a problem is how we try to fight commercial surveillance by replacing it with the government one.
@notsoloud @EUCommission @DrJLecter
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@Karolina @EUCommission That being said, let's make one thing very clear, it has nothing to do with fascism.
Surveillance lies in both extremes of the political spectrum.
I wouldn't exactly call the UK, France and China fascist states, but the surveillance there is very real and the UK and France don't even fall in the extremes, actually they're not even right wing right now, but it's a fact that these two are the most surveiled Western European countries.@mttn @EUCommission That doesn’t mean it has nothing to do with fascism, it means it also has to do with the other extreme end of the political spectrum. Right now fascism is on the rise in many European countries, including my own, which is what I’m referring to. Thank you for mansplaining my own toot. That’s always very helpful and appreciated.
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@notsoloud @DrJLecter @EUCommission Banning advertising wouldn't solve brain rot, the problem doesn't lie in the advertising part, it lies with the network itself.
@mttn
If you ban TARGETED/PROFILED advertising there will be no way to legally gather loads of information that can be (and currently is) abused.
It is the single 'simple' action with a foreseeable huge cascading impact on internet privacy, security and safety.
Opponents always leave out the TARGETED/PROFILED part to have proponents look as dumbass.
TARGETED/PROFILED are the keywords.
Advertise as much as you want without TARGETING/PROFILING tools.
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@mttn
If you ban TARGETED/PROFILED advertising there will be no way to legally gather loads of information that can be (and currently is) abused.
It is the single 'simple' action with a foreseeable huge cascading impact on internet privacy, security and safety.
Opponents always leave out the TARGETED/PROFILED part to have proponents look as dumbass.
TARGETED/PROFILED are the keywords.
Advertise as much as you want without TARGETING/PROFILING tools.
@notsoloud @DrJLecter @EUCommission@pgo @notsoloud @DrJLecter @EUCommission
Brother, "there will be no way to legally gather loads of information that can be (and currently is) abused." this is a messed up claim, just because you disable targeted advertising, but hell let us even say advertising at all, it doesn't stop companies in any way to track you through their services to discover what you like and maximize your watch time.
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@pgo @notsoloud @DrJLecter @EUCommission
Brother, "there will be no way to legally gather loads of information that can be (and currently is) abused." this is a messed up claim, just because you disable targeted advertising, but hell let us even say advertising at all, it doesn't stop companies in any way to track you through their services to discover what you like and maximize your watch time.
Claiming otherwise is just plain wrong.@pgo @notsoloud @DrJLecter @EUCommission It's not the advertising part that is the problem, it's the service itself that is fundamentally built to know everything about you, whether it includes advertising or not.
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@mttn brain rot content is not something unique, it has always been there. Arguably it is one of byproducts of growing up. Take the commercialization out of the equation, let parents do the actual parenting and kids will be okay.
We survived meaningless flash games, dumb music videos, weird console games (and arcade games before that), eurobeat music (and also rap, disco and whatever else that actually feels like AI slop before AI was even invented), meaningless comics and stupid fandoms. Most of us were happy doing that.
What I do see as a problem is how we try to fight commercial surveillance by replacing it with the government one.
@notsoloud @EUCommission @DrJLecter
@shuro
In 2003 technology wasn't quite ready to feed us endless streams of brain rot individually tuned for maximum addiction. 200 badger mushrooms a day would have hit differently I think.Apart from that I agree about parenting and commercialization.
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Growing up now is growing up online.
Young people in Europe spend much of their lives in digital spaces where they connect, learn and express themselves.
But they can also face risks like cyberbullying, disinformation and harmful content.
We want to ensure a safer online environment for them:
The Digital Services ActThe EU Action against cyberbullyingMental health supportThe EU strategy on child sexual abuse onlineAge-appropriate protections@EUCommission instead of limiting citizens, control the networks. Why the Chinese TikTok pushes STEM content and the western version pushes brainrot? It means the network can moderate dangerous content, but they don’t want to do so in the West.
Enforce Meta and TikTok to limit brainrot and you solve 90% of the issues without adopting Soviet-style laws. -
@mttn @EUCommission That doesn’t mean it has nothing to do with fascism, it means it also has to do with the other extreme end of the political spectrum. Right now fascism is on the rise in many European countries, including my own, which is what I’m referring to. Thank you for mansplaining my own toot. That’s always very helpful and appreciated.
@Karolina @EUCommission How is that mansplaining??? Ahaha what the heck dude.
"It means it also has to do with the other extreme...", nop, the literal definition of fascism is far-right, you're contradicting yourself. So not only are you wrong, you also claim that I do "mansplaining" which is completely absurd considering I have these discussions more with men than women.
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@mttn
If you ban TARGETED/PROFILED advertising there will be no way to legally gather loads of information that can be (and currently is) abused.
It is the single 'simple' action with a foreseeable huge cascading impact on internet privacy, security and safety.
Opponents always leave out the TARGETED/PROFILED part to have proponents look as dumbass.
TARGETED/PROFILED are the keywords.
Advertise as much as you want without TARGETING/PROFILING tools.
@notsoloud @DrJLecter @EUCommission@mttn
What a ban on targeted/profiled ads can bring:
-privacy: obvious, i hope...
-safety: attacker can't abuse the profiling tools to choose a target pool (minors, elder, fragile,...)
-security: compounded from the above. Targeted ads lets an attacker know which employees of what company or governement has substance/family/mental/whatever issues and target them with specific social engineering tecniques to gain access to restricted material.
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@Karolina @EUCommission How is that mansplaining??? Ahaha what the heck dude.
"It means it also has to do with the other extreme...", nop, the literal definition of fascism is far-right, you're contradicting yourself. So not only are you wrong, you also claim that I do "mansplaining" which is completely absurd considering I have these discussions more with men than women.
You're not the center of the world, just because I replied to you doesn't mean I only reply to women.@Karolina @EUCommission Also I don't even know why you bring your gender into this, it has no role in this discussion, I couldn't care less if you are a woman, a man, non binary or an alien from Mars.
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@pgo @notsoloud @DrJLecter @EUCommission It's not the advertising part that is the problem, it's the service itself that is fundamentally built to know everything about you, whether it includes advertising or not.
@mttn
You willingly leave out the targeted/profiled keywords.
Have a nice day.
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@shuro
In 2003 technology wasn't quite ready to feed us endless streams of brain rot individually tuned for maximum addiction. 200 badger mushrooms a day would have hit differently I think.Apart from that I agree about parenting and commercialization.
@notsoloud @shuro @EUCommission @DrJLecter
The thing is, in 2003 we didn't quite know how to optimize watch time. Companies have become VERY good at this, and it is what lead us to today.
There was no such thing on the internet as optimizing watch time in 2000 like we have today.
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