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  3. It was so very stupid to allow herbal products to use medical claims without evidence of efficacy (because testing was too expensive for herbal products...).

It was so very stupid to allow herbal products to use medical claims without evidence of efficacy (because testing was too expensive for herbal products...).

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    It was so very stupid to allow herbal products to use medical claims without evidence of efficacy (because testing was too expensive for herbal products...).

    Now we suffer the slipperly slide into idiocracy after belief is conflated with evidence.

    WTF is "amateur medical advice"? We used to have a different and accurate term before: "dangerous bullshit" and "snake oil".

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    #Idiocracy #WellnessBullshit

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    • nmba@mstdn.caN nmba@mstdn.ca

      It was so very stupid to allow herbal products to use medical claims without evidence of efficacy (because testing was too expensive for herbal products...).

      Now we suffer the slipperly slide into idiocracy after belief is conflated with evidence.

      WTF is "amateur medical advice"? We used to have a different and accurate term before: "dangerous bullshit" and "snake oil".

      Link Preview Image
      Google scraps AI search feature that crowdsourced amateur medical advice

      Exclusive: Revelation comes as company faces mounting scrutiny over use of AI to provide health tips

      favicon

      the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)

      #Idiocracy #WellnessBullshit

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      @NMBA

      Let's take it back a few decades, any time up to, the 1940's or so: if I had presented to my doctor as trans, they would have locked me up in an asylum.

      By about the 1950s, the doctors had a treatment to "cure" us: put electrodes on our genitals and give us electroshocks.

      in the 1960s, when the doctors figured out that electroshock didn't work, they started giving us lobotomies to "cure" us. In my own lifetime.

      BTW, these were done in the 1960s at McGill, overlapping the time when the CIA was running the so-called Montreal Experiments. Make of that what you will.

      IMO when the doctors figured out that the lobotomies weren't working, I think that they resigned themselves to offering us surgery. But only if we met certain transmedicalist criteria.

      I have a 90 year-old friend who grew up with polio. She can tell similar borrower stories from her experience with doctors.

      I imagine that people with other medical situations can also tell you of their bad treatment by the M.Deities.

      When people offer their home remedies, I am willing to give them a listen. And if some wacko remedies make it into the mix of some AI bot, I would rather have that than have a doctor say "my way or the highway" and use the apparatus of the state to enforce it.

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        @NMBA

        Let's take it back a few decades, any time up to, the 1940's or so: if I had presented to my doctor as trans, they would have locked me up in an asylum.

        By about the 1950s, the doctors had a treatment to "cure" us: put electrodes on our genitals and give us electroshocks.

        in the 1960s, when the doctors figured out that electroshock didn't work, they started giving us lobotomies to "cure" us. In my own lifetime.

        BTW, these were done in the 1960s at McGill, overlapping the time when the CIA was running the so-called Montreal Experiments. Make of that what you will.

        IMO when the doctors figured out that the lobotomies weren't working, I think that they resigned themselves to offering us surgery. But only if we met certain transmedicalist criteria.

        I have a 90 year-old friend who grew up with polio. She can tell similar borrower stories from her experience with doctors.

        I imagine that people with other medical situations can also tell you of their bad treatment by the M.Deities.

        When people offer their home remedies, I am willing to give them a listen. And if some wacko remedies make it into the mix of some AI bot, I would rather have that than have a doctor say "my way or the highway" and use the apparatus of the state to enforce it.

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        @RuthODay2
        There's no shortage of examples of mengele medicine, it still happens now with divine genital mutilation of children and babies, but that doesn't erase the necessity for evidence for efficacy and lack of side effects for products that claim efficacy. I remember the debate and it hinged on the herbal industry not wanting to pay to prove that their claims have value. I'm all for alternatives, but they should only be in the market if there is unbiased (independent) evidence of real effect. I see the "mengele medicine" and "herbal medicine" as on the same side of a failed medical regulatory system.

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          @RuthODay2
          There's no shortage of examples of mengele medicine, it still happens now with divine genital mutilation of children and babies, but that doesn't erase the necessity for evidence for efficacy and lack of side effects for products that claim efficacy. I remember the debate and it hinged on the herbal industry not wanting to pay to prove that their claims have value. I'm all for alternatives, but they should only be in the market if there is unbiased (independent) evidence of real effect. I see the "mengele medicine" and "herbal medicine" as on the same side of a failed medical regulatory system.

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          @NMBA

          Let's have the herbal industry play by the same rules as the pharmaceutical industry: any study that looks like it's going bad can be abandoned before completion (and therefore doesn't count as a failure).

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          • ruthoday2@chaosfem.twR ruthoday2@chaosfem.tw

            @NMBA

            Let's have the herbal industry play by the same rules as the pharmaceutical industry: any study that looks like it's going bad can be abandoned before completion (and therefore doesn't count as a failure).

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            @RuthODay2
            Inadequate, unethical and biased research are hallmarks of a failing regulatory system. The regulators must independently assess products or else capitalism happens.

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