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  3. 🇩🇪US-Konzerne & Lobby-NGOs wollen unsere Chats scannen!

🇩🇪US-Konzerne & Lobby-NGOs wollen unsere Chats scannen!

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  • benoitb@framapiaf.orgB benoitb@framapiaf.org

    @echo_pbreyer

    > « nous pouvons tuer #ChatControl pour de bon ! »

    Pour de bon ?

    Combien de fois les lobbies ont-ils réussi à faire présenter le +/- même texte ?

    digol@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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    #9

    @benoitb @echo_pbreyer Il fait référence à Chat Control 1.0, s'il est rejeté maintenant, ils ne vous donneront pas le temps de le renouveler avant la fin du délai. Si Chat Control 1.0 se termine, il sera plus difficile d'analyser en masse le texte final, alors appelez les députés si possible

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    • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

      🇩🇪US-Konzerne & Lobby-NGOs wollen unsere Chats scannen! 🛑 MORGEN (Tagesordnung) können wir die #Chatkontrolle endgültig killen!
      📧 Mails gehen unter.
      📞 ANRUFE wirken!

      Stoppt die Lobby, ruft JETZT Abgeordnete an: https://fightchatcontrol.de

      Faktencheck: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/entscheidungsschlacht-um-die-chatkontrolle-wie-eu-regierungen-und-tech-lobby-das-nein-des-eu-parlaments-kippen-wollen-der-grosse-faktencheck/

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      @echo_pbreyer Endgültig killen läßt die sich nicht, nur für diese Runde. In spätestens fünf Jahren kommt der nächste Anlauf. Das ist ein ewiger Kampf, bei dem wir jedesmal gewinnen müssen, denn wenn wir nur einmal verlieren, war es das.

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      • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

        🇪🇺US tech corps & lobby NGOs want to scan our chats! 🛑 TOMORROW (agenda vote) we can kill #ChatControl for good!
        📧 Emails are ignored.
        📞 CALLS work!

        Stop the lobby, call your MEPs NOW: https://fightchatcontrol.eu

        Fact check: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/the-battle-over-chat-control-how-eu-governments-and-the-tech-lobby-are-trying-to-overturn-parliaments-vote-a-comprehensive-fact-check/

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        @echo_pbreyer Question: should you also call your MEPs if your country already votes against #chatcontrol ? Should you only call your country’s MEPs?

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        • marceljan@mastodon.nlM marceljan@mastodon.nl

          @echo_pbreyer Question: should you also call your MEPs if your country already votes against #chatcontrol ? Should you only call your country’s MEPs?

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          @MarcelJan @echo_pbreyer I think you should also call them if your country is against chat control, the MEPs could have a different stance on the topic and if you can the MEPs from other countries also I think it would be nice

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          • digol@mastodon.socialD digol@mastodon.social

            @MarcelJan @echo_pbreyer I think you should also call them if your country is against chat control, the MEPs could have a different stance on the topic and if you can the MEPs from other countries also I think it would be nice

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            @Digol @echo_pbreyer I just started to call some of the MEPs who are for Chatcontrol (and should know better). Not everyone is available, but I got in contact with the office of one of the Renew Europe members. They are really interested in my view on things. (With my IT security background)

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            • marceljan@mastodon.nlM marceljan@mastodon.nl

              @Digol @echo_pbreyer I just started to call some of the MEPs who are for Chatcontrol (and should know better). Not everyone is available, but I got in contact with the office of one of the Renew Europe members. They are really interested in my view on things. (With my IT security background)

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              #14

              @MarcelJan @echo_pbreyer oh, that's good! Good luck!

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              • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

                🇪🇺US tech corps & lobby NGOs want to scan our chats! 🛑 TOMORROW (agenda vote) we can kill #ChatControl for good!
                📧 Emails are ignored.
                📞 CALLS work!

                Stop the lobby, call your MEPs NOW: https://fightchatcontrol.eu

                Fact check: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/the-battle-over-chat-control-how-eu-governments-and-the-tech-lobby-are-trying-to-overturn-parliaments-vote-a-comprehensive-fact-check/

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                @echo_pbreyer Reading the last paragraph in your article makes me think a lot about fire safety.

                We don't do fire safety by continuing to build every building out of plywood and putting smoke detectors everywhere, we do it by not building our houses, furniture and stuff out of easily flammable material so fires are less likely to happen in the first place and if one still does break out, it won't destroy as much.

                Online safety must be done with a similar approach.

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                • staticr@guild.pmdcollab.orgS staticr@guild.pmdcollab.org

                  @echo_pbreyer Reading the last paragraph in your article makes me think a lot about fire safety.

                  We don't do fire safety by continuing to build every building out of plywood and putting smoke detectors everywhere, we do it by not building our houses, furniture and stuff out of easily flammable material so fires are less likely to happen in the first place and if one still does break out, it won't destroy as much.

                  Online safety must be done with a similar approach.

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                  @echo_pbreyer Not to mention the fact that reporting is always AFTER the incident. Even if done automatically and instantaneously.

                  A city of plywood and smoke alarms everywhere will always burn to the ground eventually because the firefighters were not able to respond fast enough one time. A city made of bricks can never do that.

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                  • staticr@guild.pmdcollab.orgS staticr@guild.pmdcollab.org

                    @echo_pbreyer Not to mention the fact that reporting is always AFTER the incident. Even if done automatically and instantaneously.

                    A city of plywood and smoke alarms everywhere will always burn to the ground eventually because the firefighters were not able to respond fast enough one time. A city made of bricks can never do that.

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                    #17

                    @echo_pbreyer In short:

                    Building an environment that is fundamentally safe by design will always be more safe and reliable than continuously policing an environment that is fundamentally unsafe.

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                    • echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.socialE echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social

                      🇪🇺US tech corps & lobby NGOs want to scan our chats! 🛑 TOMORROW (agenda vote) we can kill #ChatControl for good!
                      📧 Emails are ignored.
                      📞 CALLS work!

                      Stop the lobby, call your MEPs NOW: https://fightchatcontrol.eu

                      Fact check: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/the-battle-over-chat-control-how-eu-governments-and-the-tech-lobby-are-trying-to-overturn-parliaments-vote-a-comprehensive-fact-check/

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                      @echo_pbreyer wasn't that already failed a couole weeks ago?
                      As I was noticed they completely closed that chapter back then?

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                      • xargon@livellosegreto.itX xargon@livellosegreto.it

                        @echo_pbreyer wasn't that already failed a couole weeks ago?
                        As I was noticed they completely closed that chapter back then?

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                        @xargon @echo_pbreyer the negotiations between the Council and the Parliament failed and the EPP group took advantage and wanted another vote because they didn't like the result

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                        • digol@mastodon.socialD digol@mastodon.social

                          @xargon @echo_pbreyer the negotiations between the Council and the Parliament failed and the EPP group took advantage and wanted another vote because they didn't like the result

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                          @Digol @echo_pbreyer damn, I am out of Europe now and I cannot call 😮‍💨

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