@patricus @rhelune That oomph can unfortubately not feed as many people as the plants used to produce it.

@jak2k @rhelune yeah true, but we optimize for taste not for quantity lmfaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

@rhelune @jak2k aand, the juicy marbles site even doesn't have prices in pln, rofl, okay that's so insane

@patricus @jak2k But they are cheaper than beefsteaks coming from cows. Meat imitations need to be compared to the meat they imitate.

@rhelune @jak2k except my mom would be scared to order from a site that even doesn't have our currency in here, + you need to add currency exchange rates, and the load that she can't read English.

revolution or not, take this moment to learn how to identify the “little fascisms” that permeate the culture, especially around food and health.

there’s a strain of MAHA fascist veganism coming out of the usa broligarchy connected to GMOs. “nature” is only for the worthy; especially animal protein. everything GMOed and patented by them must be for the masses and must be plant-based since it has the highest profit margins.

learn to decolonize.

@LordCaramac @jak2k @slowlygoingsane

@patricus @jak2k You can let her read this: https://ecofinder.pl/vege/weganskie-steki-roslinne-juicy-marbles-jak-prawdziwe-mieso/

If using Firefox, she can translate the website to Polish. Do not worry, they ship with an ice pack.

But if you find it too complicated, why not try products that are available in supermarkets first?

@rhelune @jak2k send it to her, we'll see.

@rhelune @jak2k I'll make her buy that and make a taste test and let you know.

@blogdiva @jak2k @slowlygoingsane I live in Germany, we didn't invent fascism, we just copied it from the Italians, but we were extremely good at it.
I'm an omnivore like most people who ever lived. I just understand that the entire Industrial Age is headed for collapse because there can't be any kind of sustainability with a capitalist economy, I understand that the biosphere is in dire straits because we keep turning entire living landscape into dead industrial structures, because we keep dumping toxic waste into the environment, because we use insane amounts of artificial fertiliser and pesticides, upending entire ecosystems with the runoff, we destroy many wild species to make place for a few domesticated ones, both plant and animal, in insane numbers, we burn through limited mineral resources like metal ores like there is no tomorrow because this insane system forces people to make money if they want to eat, and it's all running on fossil fuels because we can't get rid of them. And the reason why we can't get rid of fossil fuels is the incredible sum of money that has been sunk into them. All of the oil, gas, and coal, that's still in the ground, represents a huge chunk of global capital. If all that fossil carbon gets left in the ground, never sold on the market, an insane sum of money just disappears from this planet. Nobody who sti.. believes that capitalism can somehow be a good thing wants all this money to disappear, nobody who still believes in the market wants fossil carbon to lose its market value.
So we need to destroy the belief in the market. Capitalism is a religion that needs to vanish from the Earth. But thatt doesn't change that there are eight billions of us, and while we can feed some ten to twelve billions right now, we won't be able to do so for very much longer. Not with all the weird weather everywhere. Not with the insects and birds dying everywhere. I think we'll probably have 1-3 billion fewer people on this planet by 2080, and 1-3 billion climate refugees in search of a new home. All borders and all nations must get dismantled so that the people of the world can rearrange themselves in entirely new population patterns as the climate shifts, or many more people will die. Nations and states will become dysfunctional within the next 50 years or so, anyway, except perhaps for a few city-states and small island nations.
Oh, and all those rich eugenicists don't understand evolution. They won't survive what's coming. What is coming towards us is probably the greatest tragedy ever since the meteor killed the dinosaurs, and it's even worse because humans did it, they did it for the money, and we have known about it (and how to stop it) since the late 1960s, yet we never did what needed to be done because in order to do so, we would have needed to abandon economic growth and kill capitalism (but also Eastern socialism which was just as bad, environmentally).
But it is a slo-mo collapse, until it isn't. It's not one giant global catastrophe like that asteroid 65 million years ago, it is a patchwork of smaller and bigger local and regional catastrophes happening again and again, all over the planet, until the systems upon our lives depend can't compensate for the chaos anymore and become dysfunctional. There are no technological solutions because it isn't a technical problem. It is a problem of modern culture which is incompatible with the biosphere. We don't live like animals, but we should; by that I mean we are part of the fauna like any other big ape, we eat and we shit like any other animal. We need to integrate ourselves into the ecosystems in which we live, become part of the land, one species among many, just like almost all humans who ever lived except for the few who lived in highly complex civilisations. Decoupling ourselves from nature and rebuilding our environments as we see fit is the most insane idea ever, yet in the Industrial Age it has become mainstream, and it is killing us all.

@rood @fesshole

Eating less meat and more plant based food with high fibre is good for your health and the planet. We will need some sort of global food market as eating local won't meet the needs of the populations of most towns, cities, and islands. The best places to grow some staples are simply not in everyone's backyard or region. Even Japan imports rice...

@fesshole Doing the Goddess' own work

@makeitmythic

That's perfectly true.

@slowlygoingsane @fesshole