@patricus @jak2k @slowlygoingsane@retro-gaiden.com By not running perfectly good food through other animals' digestive system.

@rhelune @jak2k but well, meat gives that oomph to a meal that any fake meat can't reproduce.

@patricus @jak2k Results of blind taste tests disagree.

@rhelune @jak2k I can feel what's meat and what isn't easily and I am blind sooooooooooooo?

@patricus @jak2k https://www.thepoke.com/2022/11/24/vegan-sausage-test-jeremy-vine-show/

Can't find the full plot described, but I just listened to the video without watching it, and got what was happening, so you might want to do that as well.

@rhelune @jak2k yeah, some vegan sausages can fool even me, but not all meat is just sausages, although IMHO vegan sausages are better than non vegan ones, but I love some pork, especially some fatty pork, mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

@patricus @jak2k Next try Juicy Marbles.

@fesshole

Wife and I were vegetarians and raised two omnivore kids. It's not so difficult once you find the routines.

Today wife and I are vegan (not an eating disorder, but the only way to go!). Youngest child is vegan too, oldest child is veggie-leaning flexitarian - she used to be vegan-leaning vegetarian, but then she got pregnant...

My point is, that presented with the various options combined with no pressure, both kids ended up making their own (the right!) choice.

@rhelune @jak2k if I can find something like that in Poland that'd be cool I'd try, and let ya know.

@patricus @jak2k They are sold in Poland. I just checked. They are originally from Slovenia but available all over Europe.

Guess you've had a Beyond Burger already.

Those products are made for meat eaters, and are too realistic for many vegans.

that’s an eugenics (and fascist) talking point.

the industrial revolution in europe did not come with agrarian reform. no coincidence eugenics appears when the guys who own all the land can’t find workers at 2 pennies an hour because the factory owner will train and pay them 5 pennies.

look, there is nothing special about veganism. what’s special is how it’s used to normalize eugenics and squash agrarian reform & land redistribution.

@LordCaramac @jak2k @slowlygoingsane

@rhelune @jak2k something looking like meat won't win me over, I always do taste tests as I can't see jack shit. give me info on how they're called in Poland and where to get them and I may get some, my mom and me love buying random odd foods

@patricus @jak2k

Juicy Marbles™ Prime Plant Meats

Buy raw plant meats online & cook a feast 🔥

Juicy Marbles EU (eu.juicymarbles.com)

The Beyond Burger 10x113g BEYOND

Termin przydatności:

URBAN VEGAN S.C. (www.urbanvegan.pl)

(Beyond Burgers should be available in supermarkets)

@rhelune @jak2k but well, meat gives that oomph to a meal that any fake meat can't reproduce.

@patricus @rhelune That oomph can unfortubately not feed as many people as the plants used to produce it.

@patricus @jak2k

Juicy Marbles™ Prime Plant Meats

Buy raw plant meats online & cook a feast 🔥

Juicy Marbles EU (eu.juicymarbles.com)

The Beyond Burger 10x113g BEYOND

Termin przydatności:

URBAN VEGAN S.C. (www.urbanvegan.pl)

(Beyond Burgers should be available in supermarkets)

@rhelune @jak2k wow, that's damn expensive, wow. even more expensive than KFC

@patricus @jak2k But they are cheaper than beefsteaks coming from cows. Meat imitations need to be compared to the meat they imitate.

@blogdiva @jak2k @slowlygoingsane A revolution might help, but I doubt it will come before things escalate to the point where people are dying all over the planet. And we're escalating the ongoing mass extinction caused by the side effects of the Industrial Age, which I don't think will last for very much longer. Capitalism will eat the planet until there is nothing left, then it will eat itself, and then it will collapse, destroying everything else along the way. If humans somehow manage to avoid extinction, we'll never again have such an age of abundant complex technology.
If we want to live, we need to end the existence of the rich ASAP. It's up to the rich how they want to end; they can just give up their property and let us redistribute it, or they can hold onto their wealth until they are killed. We need to switch production from making commodities for the markets to making goods for the people. And we need to switch from making things cheap and disposable to making them robust and repairable.
And everyone who is able-bodied and has access to a garden needs to learn organic gardening and permaculture. Soon such knowledge and skills will be necessary in order to avoid starvation. The Industrial Age is about to peak if it hasn't already peaked, and after that it'll all go downhill. We might still see a bunch of people plant flags on Mars, but that's not a sign of progress, just a sign that some people are too bloody rich. 300 years from now, humans will be back in the Dark Ages for tens of thousands of years because we didn't manage to become sustainable before ruining everything.

@jak2k @rhelune yeah true, but we optimize for taste not for quantity lmfaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo