Alright, here we are.
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@stefano give him linux server in a jail, and then, when "AI" vibe-breaks it, you just restore a snapshot
@km oh, they probably need docker so no jails. Maybe a bhyve VM with a snapshot every 5 minutes
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Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.
In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.
My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.
He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.
@stefano Yes, we are living in this hell for some time. From one point of view I'm trying the optimistic "how much worse can it get, it's already terrible", but on the other is "how much worse can it get before they come up to any senses".
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@km oh, they probably need docker so no jails. Maybe a bhyve VM with a snapshot every 5 minutes
@stefano haven't tried but https://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxJails
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Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.
In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.
My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.
He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.
@stefano „The short-term math of not hiring juniors makes perfect sense, until you realize what it costs your seniors, your culture, and your future.“
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Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.
In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.
My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.
He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.
@stefano sorry to be that guy, but my cash is on the IT manager taking the fall when the vibers causes a breach.
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@stefano haven't tried but https://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxJails
@km they work, but there are some limits. illumos LX zones are more complete, but they have limits, too
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@stefano sorry to be that guy, but my cash is on the IT manager taking the fall when the vibers causes a breach.
@DoomBananas eheh I totally understand it.
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Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.
In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.
My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.
He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.
Clicking "
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@DoomBananas eheh I totally understand it.
@stefano I made this decision tree some years ago that cleaned and exported some data if a handful of conditions were met. The org who admin'ed IT had a zero trust policy when it came to users so my only tool was ms excel. It somehow worked but there was a bunch of pitfalls and I released it on the conditions of when it breaks you get to keep all the pieces.
Long story short. Turns out no matter what you say, how many warnings you give mgmt has zero issues taking risks when they can pin it on u
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Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.
In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.
My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.
He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.
As my old (Italian) boss used to tell me: «Attacca il ciuccio dove vuole il padrone…».
I do believe that you are forced to use the supercazzola AI somewhere, confined in some areas that doesn't bother you but that helps to keep your marketing alive and competitive.
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Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.
In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.
My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.
He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.
@stefano ok, first things first, how someone became "expert" in vibe coding?
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Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.
In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.
My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.
He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.
@stefano "experts in vibe coding"? Wow, is that really a thing? OK, I'll be honest, I let "AI" to create a short script today because:
A. is not critical
B. I was only interested in the result of it, not wanted to learn how to do it myselfBut anything related to any kind of work still created in cooperation of the hallucinating machine? Wow, that's brave.
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@stefano "experts in vibe coding"? Wow, is that really a thing? OK, I'll be honest, I let "AI" to create a short script today because:
A. is not critical
B. I was only interested in the result of it, not wanted to learn how to do it myselfBut anything related to any kind of work still created in cooperation of the hallucinating machine? Wow, that's brave.
I guess the experts in vibe coding costs lesser than a senior developers...
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I guess the experts in vibe coding costs lesser than a senior developers...
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Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.
In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.
My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.
He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.
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@stefano ok, first things first, how someone became "expert" in vibe coding?
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As my old (Italian) boss used to tell me: «Attacca il ciuccio dove vuole il padrone…».
I do believe that you are forced to use the supercazzola AI somewhere, confined in some areas that doesn't bother you but that helps to keep your marketing alive and competitive.
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Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.
In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.
My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.
He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.
@stefano hosting vibe-coded services is the best way to expose security vulnerabilities. People use AI in all the worst ways and think it's capable of deep thought.
I'm studying the technology in university and I would never leave it in charge of any unsupervised critical task. At best, it can write a prototype that I'll rewrite later.
It's a glorified summary generator that just happens to generate convincing texts.
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Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.
In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.
My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.
He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.
@stefano Vibe coding. Great. Exactly more of what the world needs.
They don't know what they don't know and that is by several orders of magnitude more than what they do know.
Ugh.
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@stefano "experts in vibe coding"? Wow, is that really a thing? OK, I'll be honest, I let "AI" to create a short script today because:
A. is not critical
B. I was only interested in the result of it, not wanted to learn how to do it myselfBut anything related to any kind of work still created in cooperation of the hallucinating machine? Wow, that's brave.
@peterkotrcka @stefano they've been using the term prompt engineers. They think that their prompts is more likely to produce something good because they use common terminology and add make no mistake at the end. It's a cult.
